The Slipped Disc daily comfort zone (231): Whose fifth symphony?
mainCheck in at 5:22 on this performance and hear the seeds of a symphony written 80 years later.
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This allusion or paraphrase has been “out there” in the literature for decades, as I recall…old news, in short.
Not Sibelius. Not Korngold. Not Langgaard. Not Rachmaninoff. Not Nielsen. Not Schmidt. Not Bax. Not Elgar. Not … Mmm. Can’t think. Aaah… Ler… Nope. It’s gone….
Love to have a 5th from Korngold, Rachmaninoff, Schmidt, Elgar…
LOL. Well done.
You’ve drawn our attention to this premonition not so very long ago. 🙂
Yes, Gustav Mahler’s.
Mr. Lebrecht says “80 years later”. Is Op. 62 published in 1842? So that has to be a symphony no. 5 from 1922 ….although does sound like Mahler 5 from 1901.
It couldn’t be Mahler V because no szforzando on the 4th, 8th or 12th notes. Or cresendos during the triplets or rests between them. Still it’s a better fit that the time SD thought that a Beethoven piano duet was a precursor of 5th symphony, whilst was a painful stretch
Has it also been discussed that there is a theme from Handel’s Messiah incorporated in the last movement of the Mahler 1st?
>>a symphony written 80 years later
80 years ? Well given that Mahler V is from 1902, then we’re taking 60 years from the Mendelssohn Trauermarsch . I know this site has a proud non-musicology stance – but a bit more rigour would help
At the start of Mahler V, he is actually quoting himself as that triplet trumpet motive appeared in the 4th symphony