The Slipped Disc daily comfort zone (155): Visionary, lunatic, both?

The Slipped Disc daily comfort zone (155): Visionary, lunatic, both?

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norman lebrecht

August 17, 2020

The funny old world of Erik Satie.

 

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  • fflambeau says:

    He was an eccentric bordering on madness. A hugely insightful composer, though, who may really be the father of minimalism.

  • John Borstlap says:

    Once, the pianist of this recording suffered serious insomnia over a long period. He bought a ‘medical CD’ with ‘calming music’ to fall asleep and found fragments of his own recordings of Satie on the disc. It seems to have helped considerably. (This is not a joke…. it is a story that went around in the Dutch new music scene where he was very popular.)

    But Vexations was, of course, a joke, a childish attempt to ridicule classical piano music.

    Satie was an ‘anti-composer’, a decomposer if you like. His early pieces are nice, and his Gymnopedies are beautiful – they are, in fact, a Fauré ‘dénudé’. He gave some valuable advice to his friend Debussy, like: have a look at the technique of the impressionists with their small brush strokes and atmosphere (of course he had not enough talent to follow his own advice). He hated pathos and the blablah surrounding classical music and advised non-music instead, like his ‘musique d’ameublement’ which was the first version of muzak (‘Don’t listen to it!’ he yelled at the premiere). His best work is his oratorio ‘Socrate’ with its neoclassical ‘whiteness’.

    He wanted to be an original at all costs, to compensate for his very limited talents (artists who are conscious of their lack of talent always gamble on originality, which is easier). After the premiere of Debussy’s ‘Pelléas et Mélisande’ he exclaimed: ‘I have to find something else or I’ll be lost!’ His music for Diaghilev’s ballet ‘Parade’ (1917) which is, like the ballet, entirely nonsensical, caused the rupture with Debussy who – ill and exhausted – had attended the premiere and had said he thought it was merely a joke, not to be taken seriously. This wounded Satie very much, he wrote an angry letter, and told his friends: ‘Why doesn’t he spare me a little place in his shadow?’

    In the end, Satie prefigured the emptiness and lack of invention and musical imagination, in short: the minimalism (in all senses) that became such a successful trend later-on in the age – because it did not require any serious talents.

    • fflambeau says:

      I agree with all but the last paragraph: “In the end, Satie prefigured the emptiness and lack of invention and musical imagination, in short: the minimalism (in all senses) that became such a successful trend later-on in the age – because it did not require any serious talents.”
      I find this music of Satie’s to be hugely inventive and note that only top pianists record it. (Pascal Rogé , Arturo Benedetti Michelangeli , Igor Levit etc.).

    • Greg Bottini says:

      Mr. Borstlap: you completely miss the essence of Satie in your lengthy screed.
      By emphasizing the oft-told anecdotes of his eccentricities, satires, and rebuffs, you display a deliberate and near-total ignorance of Satie’s music itself: a music of spacious, austere, inimitable beauty. (And yes – goofy, good-natured wit as well.)
      But as fflambeau pointed out above, this amazingly prescient composer is indeed the father of minimalism.
      It should come as no surprise that Reinbert de Leeuw, who was a major force in the Dutch modern music scene, was such a fervent proselytizer for, and performer of, Satie’s works.
      Unlike your own music, Mr. Borstlap, which continues to be widely and studiously ignored and unperformed, minimalism – in the music of such composers as John Adams, Philip Glass, or Arvo Part – is a vital and oft-performed (pre-virus, of course) feature of the classical music scene. Like it or not, that is a fact.
      Quoting you (with ellipses): “the minimalism….that became such a successful trend later-on in the age….did not require any serious talents.”
      Your envy is showing, Mr B. Pull your petticoats down – there’s a good lad.

      • John Borstlap says:

        How silly….!

        Satie’s music was for most of his life widely and studiously ignored and unperformed, only in his latest years it was ‘discovered’ – in the early twenties, in an entirely demoralized postwar culture, that could no longer believe in ‘high art’. Like it or not, that is a fact. Had WW I not intervened, Satie would never had the attention he finally got. Read Cocteau’s ‘Cock and Harlequin’, and other historical evidence surrounding S’s music. And especially, try to listen to S’s music with open ears, to hear what is really there. It is not much, and only by trying to forget the achievements of truly geat music of that era (Debussy, Fauré, Ravel, Stravinsky, early Schoenberg, Szymanowski, Scriabine, Mahler, Strauss), a listener can squeeze some pleasure from most of what the poor man wrote. But the exception is ‘Socrate’, a one-off really good work, in spite of its simplistic realization.

        To try to return a critical opinion upon the author is the usual ‘tactics’ of people not being able to deal with difference of opinion. And then, performance history says nothing about inherent artistic quality, as the same history shows. Reputations come and go, and only after a long time the best is saved from oblivion.

        • Greg Bottini says:

          Petty envy seems to become you, dear John.
          You display it often enough.
          Quoth the Borstlap: “Reputations come and go, and only after a long time the best is saved from oblivion.”
          Yes – Satie died 95 years ago. His music is still around (“saved”, as you would put it) and often performed, and it influenced Debussy, Ravel, Messiaen…. and by extension, Partch, Riley, Adams and Part….
          Your own arid and reactionary music?
          *yawn*…. it influences no one.
          How silly, indeed.

          • John Borstlap says:

            We’ll speak in 30 years time, when you will be even more deaf.

          • Greg Bottini says:

            I appreciate the invitation, but I don’t think that will be possible.
            Because in thirty years time you will be DEcomposing. (And forgotten.)

  • Edgar Self says:

    A good Satiessay, John, I think one of your best.

    You have heard of the party Satie would give, to celebrate his impotence? The news electrified le Cite. Just think, le petit Satie, giving a party! Le tout Paris will be there. But then came l’eclaircissement: there would be no party after all. You see, le pauvre Erik, he wants to give a party, but he can’t. Helas.

  • Edgard Self says:

    Uh oh, John and Greg, let’s you .and him fight! I knew this would happen one day. I love Reinhard ve De Leeuw, the music, and the stories, and have just squandered the best i know. You both know ERIKSatie better than I, who have yet to meet “Socrate”, though I think there’s a copy here by the great Hugues Cuenod, prematurely taken from us like Leo Ornstein at the age of only 106, and who, come to think of it, is just the opposite of Eliot’s mono-syllabic, poly-copulative exemplar.

    • Greg Bottini says:

      Dear Edgar,
      I take on all comers, and I fight in the heavyweight division (like one of my heroes, Muhammad Ali).
      I hope you will look for a 2-CD VoxBox entitled “The Music of Satie”, CDX 5107. It contains “Socrate”, “Parade” and many little known works of Satie. Participants include Friedrich Cerha, the great Frank Glazer, and the wonderfully-named Louis de Froment. The sound is excellent analog stereo, and the CDs run 77 and 74 minutes.
      Unfortunately there are no texts, but the liner notes are full and informative, written by Darius Milhaud (!) and R. D. Darrell.
      – best regards, Greg

      • Edgar Self says:

        Thanks, Greg, for heads up on ox Box Satie with Milhaud’s note. Regards to The Greatest. Another great Vox Box is their Louis Moreau Gottschalk, although Ivan Davis’s Decca recital is better yet.

        Wasn’t Satie one of the three young Francoophones hearing their first “Tristan” at Bayreuth? At the first notes he burst into tears, Debussy began making notes for a parody, and Guillaume Lekeu fainted. They knew how to react to thsese things.

        • Greg Bottini says:

          That’s a great story, Edgar. I had not heard it before.
          I don’t know if it’s true, though…. if I remember my Debussy history (and I may be mistaken), Debussy at first was enraptured by Tristan, then came to fear it and despise it because he came to think that it would influence French music in a bad (read: Germanic) way.

  • Paul Carlile says:

    EsotErikSatisfaction….?

    No.

  • Edgar Self says:

    aaaplease make that oligo-syllabic, poly-copulative at Mr. Eliot’s request.

  • Edgar Self says:

    Fkambeau, if Michelangeli recorded Satie, I’m unaware of it. Are you sure?

    • Greg Bottini says:

      I doubt along with you, Edgar. To my knowledge, Michelangeli never recorded Satie. I am not familiar with Levit or his recordings.
      Roge, yes, quite possibly. I heard him play (at the Legion of Honor) the first book of Debussy Preludes. Straight through; no pauses between Preludes. He was stunning; unforgettable. One of my most significant musical experiences.

  • Richard Zencker says:

    I always found this pianist’s Satie renditions painfully slow. My favorite for this music was Frank Glazer, but he was the first I heard play it.

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