Asmik Grigorian: I am vaccinated
NewsThe Lithuanian soprano has written to slippedisc.com to clarify some misconstrued remarks in her recent Times interview.
She comments: ‘I’m vaccinated. I chose to get vaccinated.
‘In my recent interview with “The Times,” I said that I don’t like to be forced into getting vaccinated in order to do my job. This is true. It doesn’t mean that I am against the vaccine.
‘As I had already had Covid-19, I had antibodies, and I followed the health protocols (tests and masks) that opera houses have put in place.
‘I have the utmost respect for my colleagues and the organizations I work with. This being said, my choice to get vaccinated was personal. I did it because I think today it is the best way to live my life, not for my contracts at the Met or The Royal Opera House…
‘I normally would not justify or explain myself, but when I see my quote from an interview being interpreted and extrapolated upon, I wanted to hopefully make my thoughts clear.
‘During this difficult time, let’s all be careful to come together and support each other, and rather than creating more conflict.
‘With love!’
Get your shots, folks !
Like Asmik !
Agree! A round of vodka shots for the real men. The bug men can have their vaccine and post a picture of their muscle-free arms on Twitter
Wow. You win the negativity contest today. While I never believed in “woke” terms like “toxic masculinity”, I have to admit that I stand corrected. You seem to be exhibit A in that regard.
She believes in freedom. To some that makes her anti-vaxer scum. Is she Latvian or Lithuanian? On August 28th she was identified at Lithuanian and now Latvian. My deep research, which consisted on reading her wiki page, indicates that she is Lithuanian.
She is not Latvian, but Lithuanian. Her father was the great Armenian tenor Gegham Grigoryan, who worked in Vilnius in the 1980’s. Her mother is Irena Milkevičiūtė, a leading soprano from Kaunas.
I’ve been waiting for Ms Grigorian to come to the Met for too long! For those who want to know why and have 7 minutes to spare…….https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAUHUpCe8cs
Just lovely, except the orchestra is too loud.
She’s still making the point that getting vaccinated is a choice. No – it’s an act of responsibility toward those around you, and indeed a moral and ethical obligation.
No, I’m sorry. It is not an obligation to medicate for other people’s sake. It’s not even an obligation to medicate for your own sake.
We live in a society.
It’s supposed to be a free society. Do you want us to be more like China?
If I shall not be in control over my own body, then there is absolutely nothing left for me to control.
Tell that to the politicians in Texas who are denying choice to women.
Those women do have control over their body. (They just dont have control over slaughtering someone else’s.)
Faith over fear. Some of us are still awake….
Why don’t you look into studying philosophy? Truth matters to you, and by studying philosophy (I suggest starting with ancient Greek philosophy, Peter Adamson has a great podcast/books as introduction) , I think you will have a better understanding of how logical reasoning works, and how you can make a formally valid and sound argument. You will also see how difficult it is to do that, which may help you become a bit more self-critical. I wish you best of luck.
What contract at the Met is she talking about? Has there been anything announced ?
Just keep your mouth shut, do your job, and act as a responsible citizen. And–something you have obviously learned recently–cover your ass.
“keep your mouth shut, do your job”
An opera singer might struggle to combine these two activities.
Statistics for the United States as of August 27 according to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS):
13,627 deaths, 2,826,646 injuries, and 1,429 fetal deaths from pregnant women who took a COVID shot.
17,794 permanent disabilities, 74,369 emergency room visits, 55,821 hospitalizations, and 14,104 life threatening events.
Here is the source: https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=CAT&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19
According to an MIT study, VAERS is estimated to capture 1% of the true number of vaccine injuries and deaths.There are already more deaths and injuries for the COVID vaccines than for all other vaccines previously reported.
Asmik Gregorian and all of the other victims who have taken this “clot shot” should get a D-dimer test done every six months to check for blood clots. If they avoid the clots, they can look forward to possible cancer and neurological diseases down the road.
So, TruthSeeker, all irony ignored, you’re rather poor at reading the telling footnotes. The data don’t lie but you do. You offer no context only your weakened sense of math and science. Shameful.
Try seeking the TRUTH:
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-9318/fact-check-reports-of-9318-vaers-covid-19-vaccine-deaths-do-not-prove-causality-idUSL1N2P21CV
The truth is that no one knows if anyone has died from the covid vaccines, but it’s probable that people have. Vaccine deaths are not widely publicized, but here is a paper that concludes that people have died from other childhood vaccines.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK236284/
But we do know that more than 600,000 Americans have died from COVID. Stop being an idiot.
And millions of people in the US have had covid with no serious complications. Why should they take a risk on a vaccine?
Key points about VAERS data:
Key considerations and limitations of VAERS data:
Vaccine providers are encouraged to report any clinically significant health problem following vaccination to VAERS, whether or not they believe the vaccine was the cause.
Reports may include incomplete, inaccurate, coincidental and unverified information.
The number of reports alone cannot be interpreted or used to reach conclusions about the existence, severity, frequency, or rates of problems associated with vaccines.
VAERS data are limited to vaccine adverse event reports received between 1990 and the most recent date for which data are available.
VAERS data do not represent all known safety information for a vaccine and should be interpreted in the context of other scientific information.
VAERS captures plenty of fake vaccine injuries, as there is nothing preventing people such as you from spamming fictitious injury reports. Or do you believe the chap who reported that after vaccination, his genitalia swelled to 10x their normal size?
So if VAERS is “estimated to capture 1% of the true number of vaccine injuries and deaths,” then
“13,627 deaths” x100 = 1,362,700 deaths.
55,821 hospitalizations x100 = 5,582,100 hospitalizations.
17,794 permanent* disabilities = 1,779,400.
And so on.
That seems like a lot of deaths, injuries, hospitalizations, etc. for even the mainstream media to cover up. But okay.
*(keep in mind people keep saying “it’s too soon to know the long term effects yet” – but they know these are permanent)
“As I had already had Covid-19, I had antibodies…”
*Possibly true*… but it is mistaken to think that replaces a vaccine.
Not only does a COVID infection not necessarily create future immunity but any immunity also quickly fades with time, in just months.
Recovering From COVID-19 Doesn’t Guarantee Antibodies or Confer Immunity to Re-Infection:
https://scitechdaily.com/recovering-from-covid-19-doesnt-guarantee-antibodies-or-confer-immunity-to-re-infection/
Really, so an artificially created experimental Gene Therapy is better than my own immune system? Really? So explain to me the science behind it?? And here is scientific source that claims exactly the opposite. Peabody came to similar conclusion so please stop misinforming people and spreading propaganda and fear. And yes, with these antibodies you don’t need a booster shot every five minutes because they remain in you till the rest of your life:
https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/science/immune-system-has-long-term-defenses-after-mild-covid-19-children-may-be-key-2021-05-24/
Text here:
May 24 (Reuters) – The following is a roundup of some of the latest scientific studies on the novel coronavirus and efforts to find treatments and vaccines for COVID-19, the illness caused by the virus.
Immune system may never forget mild COVID-19
Months after recovery from mild COVID-19, when antibody levels in the blood have declined, immune cells in bone marrow remain ready to pump out new antibodies against the coronavirus, researchers reported on Monday in Nature. Upon infection, short-lived immune cells are generated quickly to secrete an early wave of protective antibodies. As the immune cells die out, antibody levels decline. But a pool of these immune cells, called long-lived plasma cells, is held in reserve after infection. Most of them migrate to the bone marrow, explained coauthor Ali Ellebedy of Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis. His team obtained bone marrow samples from 19 patients seven months after the onset of mild COVID-19. Fifteen had long-lived plasma cells secreting antibodies against the coronavirus. Five of the 15 had second bone marrow biopsies 11 months after symptom onset and all still had long-lived plasma cells secreting antibodies against SARS-CoV-2. Ellebedy, in a statement, noted that these cells are “just sitting in the bone marrow and secreting antibodies. They have been doing that ever since the infection resolved, and they will continue doing that indefinitely… These cells will live and produce antibodies for the rest of people’s lives.” It is not clear yet whether the same results would be seen in survivors of moderate to severe COVID-19, the authors said.
What on earth do you mean by an “experimental Gene Therapy”??? If you really think that Covid vaccines are a form of Gene Therapy, then I think there is little hope in explaining, as you put it, “the science behind it”.
It’s still a new type of vaccine that has not been widely used on people until now. Just because it appears safe for most people doesn’t mean that it is safe for everyone. And evaluating the situation takes time. It took five years before they found out that Vioxx was harming people. People should have the right to refuse medications.
There have been no vaccines found to have hidden effects which were not promptly discovered upon widespread adoption. There have been some with “1 in a million” effects which were not discovered during testing because they were not tested on millions of people. No “oh, look what happens 5 years after vaccination” surprises, and this will be no different. And if one is really convinced otherwise, there are a number of vaccines which do not use this newer technique, although they also do not appear to protect as well. For just about everyone, the risks from infection are greater than the risks from vaccination.
There is indeed authentic scientific research into the production of antibodies after infection (also e.g. https://news.emory.edu/stories/2021/07/covid_survivors_resistance/index.html).
This is good news, but hardly surprising. Many other diseases work in the same way (smallpox, measles …).
It is NOT an argument against vaccination.
You run a far, far higher personal risk of severe illness, serious long-term effects, or death, by exposing yourself to Covid-19 than by being vaccinated. You also endanger the wider society you (presumably) live in, by subjecting others to the same risks. Hospitals are increasingly overburdened with critically-ill Covid patients in US states where vaccination rates are low.
Vaccination is a safer route to immunisation than getting sick with Covid-19.
“For protection against serious disease, really all you need is immunological memory, and these vaccines induce immunological memory and immunological memory tends to be longer-lived.” (khn.org)
“An analysis finds that over 100,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations could have been prevented with adult vaccination in June and July of this year. Further, based on multiple sources on the cost of COVID-19 hospitalizations, the analysis determines that these hospitalizations cost the U.S. health system over $2 billion dollars.” (kff.org)
No point responding to these people. It’s clear they have already made up their minds not to believe any scientific information presented by anyone who doesn’t already agree with them.
It’s become a matter of faith: like religious people, there is no such thing as sufficient, or sufficiently convincing, evidence to convince them that what they believe in is not true.
The scientific method is predicated on being willing to change your views in response to new information; the faith-based method is largely predicated on not changing your views in response to new information. A faith-based approach to science is, shall we say, problematic.
The only thing that still bothers me (well, there are lots of things, but) is that these people still keep up the charade that they might one day be convinced to change their minds. This is a lie, and it would be better for their consciences if they would drop the pretense.
Just come out and acknowledge that you’re never going to get the vaccine no matter what, and be done with it. It’s not like you’re interested in trying to fool or placate anyone.
Covid is so contagious that all unvaccinated people are going to contract it eventually and get immunity that way. That’s the way pandemics ended in the old days before vaccines.
“That’s the way pandemics ended in the old days before vaccines.”
Ah yes, the good old days…
It is your own immune system which is prodded into producing antibodies by the mRNA vaccines. They use the cells to crank out some of the same proteins found on the exterior of the virus, and at that point, your immune system says “hey, look, a stranger in these parts, let’s kill it and arm ourselves to react more quickly if it ever returns!” The vaccine produces a bigger response in all but those who had severe cases — the amount of antibodies produces is generally proportional to the size of the initial exposure. Because the vaccine does not actually infect you, it is safe to give a dose that makes your body produce antibodies on the level of a severe case, without you actually having one.
Nothing is done to your genes, which are kept in DNA, located in the cell nucleus. The mRNA is elsewhere in the cell, and destroyed after use — it’s a bit like carbon paper in the old days.
So in other words, it’s all about her. She doesn’t particularly care whether her colleagues or her audiences feel more comfortable if she is vaccinated or would feel extremely uncomfortable — perhaps to the point of not coming to the opera — if she isn’t. Nice.
she got vaccinated (that is, if she really did) for the job opportunities.
This issue if much more complex than either side is making it out to be. With the way some believe everyone needs to be forced to be vaccinated only adds to people’s suspicions, as does comparing vaccines to Nazi propaganda.
What Pam just shared is certainly vital to the discussion. And ironically what Pam shared might point out that being vaccinated helps your immune system create the antibodies that live in your bone marrow for life, because with vaccinations, would you get covid it’s more likely it would be mild, and those are the cases where they know the antibodies appear in the bone marrow which they say last for life. I don’t know, I’m just taking everything in and proposing possibilities.
I’m vaccinated, that also was a personal choice. I also was first tested to see if I had the antibodies, because I might have had a mild case of it, or asymptomatic, but the test said I didn’t. However, my doctor said that one doesn’t acquire immunity from having had covid, even citing he had taken an oath to do no harm and he would be if he even gave me a test to see whether I had the antibodies, and that only being vaccinated would make me immune. That doesn’t seem to be completely true.
And I think there are numerous natural helpers that the drug industry doesn’t promote, and that aren’t even used in hospitals, Artemesia being just one of them https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210111/Extract-of-medicinal-plant-Artemisia-annua-interferes-with-replication-of-SARS-CoV-2-in-vitro.aspx
https://www.wpi.edu/news/early-research-finds-extracts-sweet-wormwood-plant-can-inhibit-covid-19-virus
And one basically heard NOTHING about this from the medical establishment, even before there was a vaccine. And I wonder how many people died seeking hospital care, when a more natural method would have helped them!
And all the other ways one’s immune system is strengthened against everything else beyond covid.
Thanks. Those are interesting investigations for treating covid. The other natural way to beat covid is to lose weight.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/04/obesity-studies-highlight-severe-covid-outcomes-even-young-adults
Dear God, some of these comments to this and the original article make me think the world is crazy.
A great young singing talent takes issue with the Met’s decree requiring vaccination for performers. In Europe, her home, and a continent whose not-to-distant history saw numerous governments dictate to citizens , the philosophy is to be less heavy-handed than in the US, and to not mandate but to incentivize people to get vaccinated. Given that the EU has achieved an overall rate of vaccination of 70 pct, there seems to be more than one way to skin the poor proverbial cat.
Asmik’s candid comments, taken out of context, led
to a feeding frenzy of judgemenal readers about her (much of it trashing her!) and the topic of vaccination in general .
Now, the singer writes to clarify her position and many of you guys start frothing at the mouth again. Hmmmm. Worrisome. Do some readers require a rabies vaccine?
It is stupid to take a jab that has never been tested on animals. All previous animal trials of similar MRNA vaccines have resulted in the deaths of most or all of the animals when they later contracted a wild virus.