Amy Winehouse is vandalised by anti-semites
NewsThe statue of Amy Winehouse in Camden Market has been defaced at night by pro-Palestinian agitators.
Amy’s ubiquitous Star of David necklace was covered up with a Palestinian emblem.
Just another anti-semitic incident that the police will not record and the political authorities will blindside.
Here’s the first report:
London 2024. Where a Star of David can’t be displayed (even on a statue of a dead singer) without being covered with a Palestinian flag pic.twitter.com/pRfGryNPo4
— Etan Smallman (@EtanSmallman) February 19, 2024
Incredible… stupid people lining-up with a population who insisted to be led by the most barbarious terrorists imaginable.
What’s more worrying is the amount of down votes you’ve already received.
Indeed.
What’s even more worrying is how many readers here think it’s ok to collectively punish a group of people who had already qualified as some of the most unfortunate on this planet before Israel destroyed their families, homes and livelihoods.
Netrebko fan detected.
They voted in Hamas and still love them, apparently. Actions have consequences. Or should have…
BTW: Gaza gets 500 lorries’ worth of aid every day. Can’t these people even plant a tomato?
Don’t they need to get a permit from the occupying authorities to plant a tomato?
Typically ignorant comment from a terrorist supporter. Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005. Their pigsty is of their own making.
They seem to have been able to build an underground network bigger than Londons’, arm 50,000 fighters and fire thousands of rockets – all without “permition”.
Hamas are all over the world.
That is a big problem
Do you mean the barbarious (sic) war criminals who run the Israeli government?
(And yes – I do separate the government from the country and the people of Israel itself, many of whom do not approve of their leaders’ campaign of brutality.)
Hamas is terrible, but the approximately 16,000 children killed so far did not make any political decisions.
Are those figures from Hamas or the BBC? In any case, good reason to take them with a pinch of salt.
Israel warns the Gazans before trying to smoke out Hamas terrorists. Which other country would ever do that?
The carnage is down to Hamas, the group thé Gazans elected.
I take it I’m supposed to know who this is.
Yeah, I know. LMGIFY.com
So anti-semitism has become humorous? Perhaps you should LMGIFY?
Didn’t realize she was Jewish but she did have all the characteristic features……
Norman? Why did this antisemitic post make the boards? Charateristic features? Sounds like something out of Dr. Mengele’s mouth.
Don’t you have a Party meeting or something to go to?
Meaning?
There is nothing ambiguous in his statement. He didn’t even intend to try. If not called out, they will become more emboldened to fan division and hate.
I agree. That was my point.
I thought we got rid of your types after 1945.
Freeddynyc, you mean talent?
Anti-Semitism is a very light sleeper. This is being demonstrated time and time again.
It was a Star of David, no overt Israeli connection.
It *does* have such a connection, since it is central to the flag of Israel.
It pre-dates the Israeli flag. Its use within the flag means that Israel is a predominantly Jewish state, it does not mean that all Jews are Israeli. What else are Jews supposed to wear? Nothing remotely Jewish I suppose, just to be on the safe side.
And avoid blue at all costs.
You said it had “no overt Israel connection”. NB: “no”. That its use pre-dates itrs embodiment in Israel’s flag does not mean that it has *no* Israel connection.
Who says Amy Winehouse was not pro-Palestinian? Many Jews are. And you can’t be so steeped in Black culture as she was in her singing without having sympathies for the Palestinian cause.
Are Palestinians black now? Wow, whatever fits the narrative, eh?
Racism is assuming someone believes a certain way because of their skin color.
So Martin Luther King revealed himself as not “steeped in Black culture” when he declared that it was wrong to be anti-Ziomist??? Just wow, “waw”!
Not sure how her songs about addiction and rehab are relevant to the Isreali/Palestinian conflict….
I’ve seen a huge amount of appalling anti-Semitic desecration in Europe over the years, mostly directed toward synagogues and Jewish cemeteries. There’s also a good bit in the States. Replacing the Star of David on Amy’s necklace with a Palestinian flag doesn’t fit with the usual patterns of anti-Semitism I’ve seen. The symbolic intent is open to a range of interpretations, possibly anti-Semitic, or possibly an expression of solidarity by Jewish activists against war, or a coalition from both sides. Hard to say, though as always, both sides will propagandize the gesture to the fullest extent possible.
So according to you, based on no evidence whatsoever apart from her affinity for “black culture”, she was pro-Palestinian? I’d suggest giving your head a good shake but I’m concerned it would aggravate your brain injury.
I knew I would get ignorant responses to my reference about Black culture, and since one of you even cited Martin Luther King, well here’s for your collective enlightenment:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/28/us/politics/black-pastors-biden-gaza-israel.html
“Black Pastors Pressure Biden to Call for a Cease-Fire in Gaza
Black congregants’ dismay at President Biden’s posture on the war could imperil his re-election bid”
It’s from the NYT. Nuff said
Pro-Palestinian does not mean anti-semitic.
It’s largely a fig leaf for Hitlerian ideology.
This is extremely alarming, and unfortunately not isolated. People are entitled to support the Palestinian cause, and to protest the damage in Gaza. (Though they should remember what started this particular round in the ancient and ongoing strife). But the vandalism — which has also been demonstrated by the climate change campaigners, whose cause I tend to support but whose recent tactics I abhor — is indicative of a new kind of activism in the UK, and elsewhere.
One tends to expect it in the US among some other places. In the US it was basically the rightwing playbook — commentators like Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity and that gang, to say nothing of Tucker Carlson, built their careers on extreme positions and no quarter for different views than theirs. They, and the appallingly self-deluded “fair and balanced” coverage of the Fox network, begat the lunacy of the ultimate self-deluded president the US has ever seen and, scarier still, his appalling fan base.
But the left — if this is indeed the left — seems to have gone one further and added violence to the mix, coupled with a sick-making anti-Semitism that it seems incredible to anyone of my generation (late boomer) could still exist in a country whose tolerance had been one of its best traits.
I know very little about this artist, though I knew her name, that she was very highly regarded and, from the very little I heard of her work, she had some pipes and might have been the makings of a fine jazz singer. I never considered whether she was Jewish or any other classification — she was just a mega pop star. One of many about whom I know nothing, and have heard nothing. Just a name, like Ed Sheeran or Oasis or latterly Harry Styles, that occasionally appears at the top of a story I see in passing about some awards or something. Why on earth is she the target of this hatred, simply because she wore a Star of David? I never heard of her making a pronouncement, the way SInead O’Connor did.
I have been disturbed by reports of anti-Semitism on the left since it became a major issue in the Labour party since Corbyn’s day.
The left I knew as a student was largely composed of Jewish leadership and was totally pro-Israel. That may have shifted as Israeli politics led that country into decisions not all reasonably-minded people — including many of their own citizens — share. But decent people I knew always differentiated — sharply — between a government’s policies and a body of people of a specific faith and race. England was full of people who loathed Mrs. Thatcher, and many people elsewhere shared that view but did not hate English people. Nor did they when, after a good start and a few good years, Tony Blair led the country into what the vast majority thought an ill-advised alliance and its resultant action.
One can only assume that, as Barry said above, “Anti-Semitism is a light sleeper.” Was it really there all along? It is shocking that these protesters know so little of the context in which they are operating. But that seems to be the way du jour. Americans do not give a toss that the man they idolise is a proven liar, sexist, racist, and dangerously uninformed individual who for reasons passing understanding sucks up to the very worst elements in a world full of them. He has given carte blanche to the culture of ignorance, a path upon which American has long been careering, but I expected more resistance from the UK, where reason always seemed to eventually prevail.
Clearly the education system — if there is one — has failed spectacularly to inform young people of recent modern history. (Among many other things, but few so important). This is just the latest wake-up call in a rising trend that makes people of my generation, and I hope at least one behind it, shudder at the apparition of totalitarianism on the rise. For the love of God, where is the resistance? Where is the intelligence?
Leaders like Trump have sanctified ignorance and “alternative truth” as a badge of honour, and while thousands of brave Russians risk freedom and possibly life to lay flowers for a dead, possibly murdered, hero, we of the enlightened west are defacing art and statues of non-political Jewish artists simply BECAUSE they are Jewish?
We ignored that within the last century, in my parents’ generation, to almost unimaginable cost. I wish these young campaigners, who are not without some just cause, could grasp that and realise that there is history behind these disputes and see a broader picture. But the times are out of joint for reason to have a voice. And that should frighten every last one of us, whatever their view on this or any other disputed cause.
Many good points, but Biden is as dangerous in his own way as you feel Trump to be. The younger generations these days prefer to remain ignorant of history, it makes subservience to the mangled, manufactured, senseless ideology they’re enjoined to follow that much easier.
“Feel” Trump to be?? The man ought by rights to be spending the next three years in courts, chiefly for inciting a riot on January 6 2021, and has lately been encouraging Putin into violence against NATO members. He spent his presidency kissing up to Saudi Arabia and North Korea, but threatens Iran, the most dangerous of the lot.
Biden is no great shakes as a President — but politics is so toxic in the US that the best and the brightest are resisting getting into public life. If there was a viable candidate in the wings, Biden might have pulled an LBJ. But even he seems to know that his chosen VP is not up to the job — he should bear in mind that she is a heartbeat away from the Presidency. But where to look for an alternative?
If the Republicans had a talent bank of the sort they had in the 1960s and 1970s, they might see a serious contender challenge Trump.
I watched the Watergate hearings virtually wall to wall as a graduate student with a lot of daytime, if not free then not scheduled. (I spent a lot of nights reading!). I leaned Democrat, but was blown away by the calibre of most members of that committee, from both parties, and became an admirer of politicians like Sen. Lowell Weicker (R., Connecticut) and Sen. Howard Baker (R., Tennessee). Like some of their Democratic counterparts on the committee, they were straight, fair, intelligent and committed to the truth, not to an agenda. In those days Americans could be proud of their leaders.
And the US, like too many of the western democracies (including my own in Canada, and the UK) have settled for mediocrities, who are being challenged, on the whole only by extremists. Not much of a choice these days, and the electorate is little better in any of these countries. They say we get the leadership we deserve. We have to earn the right to deserve better.
Political sympathies cross boundaries of race, ethnicity, gender, nationality, sexuality. That’s why the ethnic or religious background of a person, including of the late Winehouse, may either align or not align with the politics du jour.
A few months ago, banners with words like “Queers for Hamas” were seen on the streets of certain major cities in the US and world.
Is hesitancy of various people to condemn or not condemn what happened last October the politics of the left or the politics of the right?
Very good question. The rising totalitarian mentality that “wokery” seems to have awakened strikes me as sui generis.
Please can someone explain:
If I condem the genocidal actions of the Chinese government in west China, does that make me anti-Chinese ?
If I condem the murderous actions of the Russian government in Ukraine (or Chechenya, or other instances) does that make me Anti-Russian ?
If I condem the massacre of Israelis by Hammas, does that make me anti-Palestinian ?
And if I condem the murder of Palestinians by the israeli government, does that make me either anti-Israel or Anti-Semitic ?
Is there a word for interpreting disgust towards a government (or military group) as the same thing as hatred of a people ?
This is my very point. But picking on the statue of a pop singer because she happens to be Jewish, or slinging the sort of abuse that has been happening on US university campuses and getting top university professors into hot water, is pretty clearly anti-Semitic.
And what’s up with “Queers for Palestine”? I appreciate the point made by many gays, especially gay Conservative or Republican politicians, that their sexual orientation does not define them — that they can believe in small government and other conservative policies. And Palestine has never been at the forefront of Islamic extremism: its issues are much more localised. But they are flirting with a culture whose leading proponents make their lives literally not liveable.
But you are exactly right. It is essential to differentiate between governments and their policies and the people of those nations. Though the rising number of Trump supporters makes it harder and harder to love Americans…
doesn t semites people include also arab people?
something must be done about these terms or is it that arabs are said to be against them selves?
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Sure, and we all know it. But you are being disingenuous. The term “anti-Semite” clearly applies to the Jewish people (NOT to the government of Israel, which, like all other governments, will have to take its lumps like all governments of whose policies it is fair enough to disagree).
There are plenty terms about to express antipathy to other members of Semitic races, if you are so inclined.
It’s comfy ambiguity. A native of the Middle East is a Semite. The actions we are seeing are anti-Jewish, plain and simple.
The term “anti-Semitism” has always been understood to refer to Jews, even though Arabs are also semites, as were the Babylonians and Assyrians.
I am absolutely astonished at the arguments here and around the world. As a student of history, I understood that anti-semitism was a historical reality and based on bias and little fact. It’s summation arrived with Hitler and this was at the top of any outrage in this planet’s total history.
But I ask everyone here to understand the impact of the constant videos of bleeding children and entire cities destroyed by air power. Does Israel understand that this massively one-sided punishment seems beyond belief to normal viewers? Where is the Hebrew heart in this argument? It has changed my view of Israel for ever.
V. Lind: ” “Feel” Trump to be?? The man ought by rights to be spending the next three years in courts, chiefly for inciting a riot on January 6 2021, and has lately been encouraging Putin into violence against NATO members. He spent his presidency kissing up to Saudi Arabia and North Korea, but threatens Iran, the most dangerous of the lot.”
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Trump is an abrasive, Hollywood-type talker, but so is the person who succeeded him in the White House. Biden is known to snap at and deride members of the public, whereas Trump reserves most of his salvos for his peer group.
Beyond non-statesmen personality traits of a politician, most people judge them through their own prism of ideology. Or how liberal (or leftist) or conservative (or rightist) they are.
Generally, the further left a people and place go, they run the risk of becoming a version of today’s city of San Francisco. Given the way that community a few months ago, in preparation for the visit of China’s president, was momentarily cleaned up, if a people and place go even further left, they run the risk of becoming an Orwellian, Beijing-type hive.