Pianist cancels concerts over ban on non-vaccinated audience
NewsThe Paris-based Serbian pianist Jasmina Kulaglich has issued the following explanation for cancelling her coming concerts:
Dear friends, here’s a decision that was difficult to make: I feel compelled to cancel my next concerts. This is purely the voice of my heart speaking, in a new situation, unprecedented in my life.
I can’t imagine a part of the audience being banned from being entered into my concerts. Music is there for EVERYONE and I wish to be a channel of his vibes by giving it to ALL.
As my colleague Eliza Somba says: ′′ Mozart or Bach belong to Humanity; they are neither mine nor the state….. nor an ′′ elite ′′ who has his name associated with a ′′ Q-R-code ′′
In the current situation, my personal human ethic takes over career terms.
I remain respectful of any difference in choice under these same conditions.
On my side, I must obey the voice of my soul, because it is only by being in line with my values that I can move forward peacefully.
I hope to find you soon in concert halls, in better conditions, and until then I will continue preparing my new CD!
Very nice week to ALL,
With all my sincere friendship
Jasmine
PS – this post is in no way an invitation to controversy, it’s a sharing of my personal choice, and the announcement of my concerts being absent. Being respectful of different opinions than mine, thank you for being reciprocally. Very warmly, Jasmina.
(French original)
Chers amis, voici une décision qui a été difficile à prendre : je me sens obligée d’annuler mes prochains concerts. Il s’agit ici purement de la voix de mon coeur qui parle, dans une nouvelle situation, sans précédent dans ma vie.
Je ne peux pas imaginer qu’une partie du public se voit interdire l’entrée à mes concerts. La musique est là pour TOUS et je souhaite être un canal de ses vibrations en l’offrant à TOUS.
Comme dit ma collègue Eliza Somba : “Mozart ou Bach appartiennent à l’Humanité ; ils ne sont ni à moi, ni à l’État…..ni à une “élite” qui a son nom associé à un “Q-R-code” !
Dans la situation actuelle, mon éthique humaine personnelle prend le dessus sur les termes d’une carrière.
Je reste respectueuse de toute différence de choix dans ces mêmes conditions.
De mon côté, je me dois d’obéir à la voix de mon âme, car c’est uniquement en étant en accord avec mes valeurs que je pourrai avancer sereinement.
J’espère vous retrouver vite en salles de concerts, en de meilleures conditions, et d’ici là je continue la préparation de mon nouveau CD !
Très belle semaine à TOUS,
Avec toute mon amitié sincère
Jasmina
PS – ce post n’est aucunement une invitation à la polémique, c’est un partage de mon choix personnel, et l’annonce de l’absence de mes concerts. Étant respectueuse des opinions différentes de la mienne, merci de l’être réciproquement aussi. Très amicalement, Jasmina.
She should play duos with Eric Clapton.
Ok: ′′ Mozart or Bach belong to Humanity…”, but I’m afraid to say that without the vaccine there will no longer be any humanity
Huh? It is only recently in human history that we have had any vaccines. And humanity survived perfectly well without them.
She’s correct that music is for all, but unfortunately so is the virus. The explanation that seems most likely for this statement is that she does not wish to vaccinate herself but isn’t being candid about this decision.
Well if I’m in a concert I would want to know if the person who was sitting next to me had not been vaccinated, so that I could move hopefully to another safer seat. Many, many people have died from this dreadful disease and I don’t want to be infected by some selfish person who can’t be bothered. I have been vaccinated twice but could still get the illness.
“I have been vaccinated twice but could still get the illness.”
Then whatever experiment you’re part of isn’t a vaccination. Good luck.
Fact check:
1) All vaccines in use protect to a high or very high degree a severe form of Covid-19, long-term side effects, and death. They do not offer 100% protection in the sense that the vaccinated can not get the SARS-CoV-2 virus.
2) Not all the vaccines are delivered on the relatively recently introduced, innovative mRNA platform (BioNTech/Pfizer, Moderna) and this technology is not completely new to healthcare, having previously been investigated for cytomegalovirus treatment e.g; some vaccines work with an inactivated pathogen (Synovac, Sinopharm); others are vector vaccines (AstraZeneca) and work with a modified version of the virus; whilst others are protein subunit types (Novovax) and use purified segments of the virus.
This is not an experiment, a term that belongs in the realm of conspiracy theory.
fact fact check:
1. Not true.
2. Partially true.
It is an experiment. That’s why they are Emergency Use Authorization. It takes YEARS to develop.
The difference between conspiracy theories and facts are about 6 months:)
Fact:
You keep spreading false information.
Yes, we have to remember that only the left are allowed to lie through their teeth and get away with it.
Science is not related to politics. Science bashing is.
1 is true. Just look at the major uptick of UK cases due to Delta vaccine-evading capabilities WITHOUT the uptick in death rates. Even with the fact that immuno-compromized get a slight risk even with both doses, still no death rate uptick. Go get vaccinated, you are ruining it for everyone.
The delta variant is weaker than the original.
It’s fascinating to watch how great the jabs were touted by a lot of you and gradually morphing into how good it is in not getting too sick when it is contracted. Even that is suspect as we may find out.
https://jonathanturley.org/2021/07/31/twitter-suspends-science-writer-after-he-posts-results-of-pfizer-clinical-test/
Getting infected with Covid is very much an experiment on your body. A wild, alien particle attempting to invade your immune system and replicate in your cells. I would rather a domestic version of that.
These shots are not vaccines. They do not inject dead or weakened viruses into your body so your whole argument is based on false information.
No Comrade the Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) was issued because in the 40,000 patient double blind phase 3 study the efficacy in the immunized co-hort was >95% in preventing death and hospitalization, the incidence of serious adverse events (SAE) were nil and there were NO other treatments available to save lives. The difference between the EAU and the final full approval are regulatory fillings that have NOTHING to do with the efficacy of the product. Since the EUA for the Pfizer treatment over 500 million doses have been administered and the efficacy and SAE profile has remained the same as the Phase 3 trial. Breakthrough infections with the more infectious delta variant are rare and in those cases symptoms minimal to undetectable. Without more vaccinations more variants will arise and the possibility of one emerging that evades T and B cell immunity provided by the current vaccine becomes more likely. Pick a new disinformation campaign that doesn’t require understanding science to keep your handlers satisfied.
“Breakthrough infections with the more infectious delta variant are rare…”
Sure…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvnHkp14Ne4
Keep getting your scientific insights from youtube. Try back issues of the National Inquirer.
Fact check check:
Perhaps the authors of this study on the Pfizer/BioNTech and AstraZeneca vaccines (Jamie Lopez Bernal, consultant medical epidemiologist, Nick Andrews, senior statistician, Charlotte Gower, senior epidemiologist, Chris Robertson, professor, Julia Stowe, senior epidemiologist, Elise Tessier, senior epidemiologist, Ruth Simmons, senior epidemiologist, Simon Cottrell, consultant medical epidemiologist, Richard Roberts, consultant medical epidemiologist, Mark O’Doherty, consultant medical epidemiologist, Kevin Brown, consultant virologist, Claire Cameron, consultant medical epidemiologist, Diane Stockton, consultant medical epidemiologist, Jim McMenamin, consultant medical epidemiologist, Mary Ramsay, head of immunisations):
https://www.bmj.com/content/373/bmj.n1088
would be interested to hear your contrary views.
Their conclusion is:
“Vaccination with either one dose of BNT162b2 or ChAdOx1-S was associated with a significant reduction in symptomatic covid-19 in older adults, and with further protection against severe disease. Both vaccines showed similar effects. Protection was maintained for the duration of follow-up (>6 weeks). A second dose of BNT162b2 was associated with further protection against symptomatic disease. A clear effect of the vaccines against the B.1.1.7 variant was found.”
I would advise you first to inform the authors about your own expertise in the field of epidemiology.
You are the one writing untruth
Don’t be silly the vaccine is not a cure it is to prevent you from getting very seriously ill.
If the purpose of the vaccine you have taken is only to prevent serious illness, then why is sitting next to an asymptomatic unvaccinated person less safe than sitting next to an asymptomatic vaccinated person? That doesn’t add up.
Unfortunately the hoped for sterile immunity turns out probably not to exist. In a recent study we learn that:
(https://apnews.com/article/science-health-coronavirus-pandemic-d9504519a8ae081f785ca012b5ef84d1)
“Vaccinated people who got so-called breakthrough infections carried about the same amount of the coronavirus as those who did not get the shots.”
The fact remains however that if you are fully vaccinated you are safer than if you are not, whether the (assumedly) sick person next to you is vaccinated/unvaccinated or symptomatic/asymptomatic.
“I wear my seatbelt but I might still die in a car accident, so wearing seatbelt has nothing to do with safety.”
You can still get Covid-19 even if you’ve been vaccinated. Did you know that?
That’s the same for every vaccination for every illness. The vaccines still save lives and, in this case, protect to a very high degree against serious illness and death.
If you are that scared even after getting the vaccination just stay home. Or wear a hazmat suit. I’ve been to dozens of concerts this summer and I’m still alive. Tanglewood doesn’t require masks or proof of vaccination. Bard required both.
Tanglewood is outdoors. They are selling fewer tickets. Only tickets bought together are for seats next to eachother.
At Bard they have signs telling people to wear masks outside on the walking paths. Almost no one does though.
Yes, right. Let’s also ban non-vaccinated people from public transport, schools, shopping malls, hospitals, public parks. Is this your proposal?
There is a difference between a hospital and a concert hall.
“There is a difference between a hospital and a concert hall.”
YOU CAN’T PROVE THAT!!!!
True, although live music can be heard at both kinds of places.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoFJViiWUG0
Hell yeah! Stop the spread of the virus and save lives.
You certainly will not get into the Proms in London without a double vaccination certificate or proof on the NHS app, or a lateral flow test that same day and recorded on the app or an NHS text. I’ve shown mine for the past three nights. Very simple! Keep the performers and the audiences as safe as humanly possible. The virus has not gone away, and now 1 in 5 in intensive care wards of hospital in the UK and Ireland are unvaccinated with no underlying medical condition and under 35 year olds. Listen to the highly respected and articulate Jonathan Van Tam.
Looks like it’s happening in France.
I would add airplanes, buses, trains, ferries, workplaces etc. etc. Countries should deny foreign nationals that’s unvaccinated entrance.
From that are indoors or enclosed? Absolutely.
How do you know that the unvaccinated person who displeases you so greatly is ‘selfish’ and ‘can’t be bothered’?
Have you ask them for their reasons?
Many people with a history of immune illnesses (such as M.E. & C.F.S.) have experienced acute and serious relapses after vaccination, owing to stimulation of their already-overactive immune systems. This makes being vaccinated extremely problematic for some people. They have to weigh up the possibility of a severe Covid infection against a greater probability of a vaccine-induced relapse.
Rather than criticising others unjustly, just be thankful that you, yourself, are not in that position.
That’s exactly why everyone that’s able bodied should get vaccinated; for herd immunity. That does help protect does who are unable to get vaccinated, so by choosing not to vaccinate when you could you are directly harming those who, as you said, may get serious complications if they were to vaccinate.
You only need about 60-70 percent of people to get vaccinated for herd immunity. And we are just about there in many countries (which is why the virus is no longer spreading despite more opening up). Whether your neighbour has been vaccinated makes pretty much no difference to the chance that they will give you the virus: they only place their own health at risk. Really, people need to calm down.
In Britain anyone you describe wears a lanyard which is immediately recognisable by those of us wearing a mask and that is right and proper. I am referring to people who have not been vaccinated because they are selfish and believe all the daft reasons currently being cited by nasty people.
Oh dear, oh dear.
Don’t forget your booster shot:)
I apologize. That was unkind of me. I truly hope people who are in the experiment don’t have adverse affects in the future. My opinion is don’t get the boosters…opinion I said.
Opinion based on malevolence and a complete lack of knowledge about anything relevant to the subject at hand.
Many antivaxxers disregard all precautions. That’s my personal experience and I’ve seen it reflected in statistics.
Those who have a legitimate medical reason not to get vaccinated take all other precautions very seriously. They need to be protected by the herd immunity only the rest of us can contribute to, as David correctly pointed out.
What about people with natural immunity?
You know people who already have had covid?
It’s estimated up to 35% of US population have this herd immunity. Why doesn’t the media say anything about this? Again, doesn’t censorship of science mean anything to you people? Science is skepticism.
Comrade H you insist on discussing science without understanding even the fundamentals. First, herd immunity does not exist if 35% of a population have been infected. Second, as has been documented those who have been naturally infected, like any outbred population, have a range of cellular & humoral immunity which includes large numbers who developed sub-optimal responses and therefore still need to be vaccinated to develop high titers of neutralizing Ab. Third, science isn’t acceptance or skepticism about anything but rather it is about making hypotheses, designing experiments to test those hypotheses, analyzing data generated by those experiments, not opinions, and drawing conclusions which can withstand review. The rigor required to conduct real science is incompatible with your methods which are designed to misinform, promote nihilism and enrich you and your handlers.
Science is skepticism. Well established facts can be challenged with solid data. Contradiction using uninformed comments has no place in science.
Here is some anecdotal evidence:
I have a close relative who counted on their “natural immunity”, only to get sick with fever for a second time. No, the sickness was not a big deal. I hope they didn’t transmit it to others.
I would like to know it the person next to me if a convicted rapist, pedophile, pocket thief, murderer or simply an asshole. But I respect that their right to privacy is more important than my hysteria.
So b*gger off.
The last one is likely the only one that’s transmissible, but looks like you may have already caught that one.
If you could choose: Would you let your daughter spend a whole day on an island with pedophiles, or a whole day on an island with covid patients?
If the answer is “on an island with covid patients”, it assumes one thinks pedophilia is worse than covid – and then why shouldn’t one be notified when pedophiles are around?
I have a daughter and find your question in very bad taste.
Eventually we all develop instincts to identify creeps.
With Covid, the only way to suspect who may have it is by looking at their behavior: the more careless they are about indoor masking and distancing, the likelier they are to habe been infected. At this point vaccinated people are also more careful in general.
Not really true, if you are “careless about precautions” you likely got Covid a long time ago and recovered. Meaning you have an immune system that clears it quickly (assuming you didn’t die).
You are actually more likely to get Covid from someone who is “careful”.
Totally agree with her. This is discrimination. What about people who can’t get the vaccine for medical reasons. No music for them?
Is she equally welcoming to coughers and sneezers?
Thank you to Jasmina Kulaglich for taking this brave stand against authoritarian fascism! The so called “vaccine passports” are a way of opening the door to total control and the end of human freedom. The intention is to link these passports to digital currencies and social credit scores. This must be stopped, defied, and resisted now. We, the citizens, hold the power to preserve liberty for future generations. The people who do not understand where this is going need to wake up and fast!
To “truthseeker” (!): your liberty is in fact selfishness.
The real liberty will come when we get rid of this deadly disease and this can only be achieved by having everyone vaccinated, otherwise more and more serious variants will keep developing and new lockdowns will have to be decided.
How is it possible that you believe we are going to “get rid of this disease?” That is not going to happen, and there has never been an expectation that it would. What is left to decide, as individuals and as societies, is how we are going to live with another circulating disease. That is the meaningful discussion Jasmina Kulaglich is taking a position in regard to. It’s okay to disagree with her idea of how a free society with COVID and other circulating diseases should operate. However, your position should not be based on a practical impossibility.
I do not endorse TruthSeeker, but his/her use of “liberty” is far better than yours. Liberty is the absence of disease. Really? (And that doesn’t even address the implications of how “everyone” ends up vaccinated.)
It unfortunately seems necessary to add: I am voluntarily vaccinated. I wish everyone would get vaccinated. I respect individual decisions to not get vaccinated.
Check polio.
Fair enough, let’s consider that.
Something like 350 school age children have tragically died from COVID in U.S. Check polio, and perhaps it will be apparent why vaccine acceptance rates are different between the two viruses.
Many people genuinely believe their children have lower risk factors by not getting the vaccine. Most people saw/see the benefit of the polio vaccine.
That’s among the reasons why polio eradication was possible and COVID eradication is a practical impossibility.
Warm regards.
While there is no doubt that Covid-19 is nowhere as big a threat to children as polio, children can still significantly contribute to the transmission of Covid and other people’s deaths.
Statistically the risks from a covid vaccine are insignificant. Nothing in life is totally safe. People’s instincts are famously not good at estimating risk. After 9/11 there was a outlying and never repeated uptick in highway fatalities, obviously because many people chose driving over flying.
Looking ahead to at least the next few months, Covid’s resurgence among the unvaccinated is the reason my vaccinated children will be deprived of many age appropriate experiences, not because we parents will be holding them back. For a second year in a row. That’s a long time for children.
CJ writes: “…when we get rid of this deadly disease and this can only be achieved by having everyone vaccinated”
This is just nonsense. You are not going to get rid of the virus by vaccinating. The vaccine stops you getting ill, but it doesn’t stop you getting the virus. Even if everyone had the vaccine, the virus will still be around. And it will never be possible to vaccinate everyone in every country.
You are a weak link in our society
You mean the same totalitarian facism that says we all have to wear seat belts when driving our cars, helmets when riding bikes and stopping at traffic lights when they are red, because they all protect us and help save the lives of those around us?
Even if they were originally mandated, people overwhelmingly agree that the unavoidably public actions of wearing a seat belts, donning a helmet, and stopping at traffic lights are in their best interest. People have individual agency to comply or not on an ongoing basis, though there can be consequences to noncompliance.
Being forced to widely share private health information, possibly in a centralized database, is obviously different and something society has rejected up to now. I count myself among those who don’t see COVID as so different that I would want to acquiesce to such a requirement. Of course, if required, vaccine passports would become normalized just like the examples provided. But that’s exactly the problem.
Or wear pants? In totalitarian violation of my liberty to be as free as I was born?
Fact check:
Proof of vaccination is nothing new.
In 1897 a scientist from Odessa, Waldemar Haffkine, developed a vaccine for plague, which was put into use in British India. Discussions ensued about proof of vaccination in certain circumstances, e.g. the annual pilgrimage to the town of Pandharpur in the colonial Bombay province. Authorities decided to make proof of vaccination compulsory for pilgrims but only after detailed, annual negotiations between government, the railway companies, the hospitality industry, pilgrims’ representative and temple authorities.
In 1969 the World Health Organization introduced its approved yellow card, which has been a document for travelers to certain countries to show proof of vaccination for yellow fever and other shots, without which they are unable to visit those countries.
Proof of vaccination for travel is not the same thing as requiring proof of vaccination to go for a swim in your local pool.
Come on, now!
One still has to travel to the local pool.
Bubonic plague has a 50% fatality rate. Yellow fever has a 5% fatality rate. Covid has a 0.5% fatality rate at worst. If we require vaccination for covid we will start having to require it for flu.
Exactly. The whole thing has been a neurotic overreaction.
Tell that to the three friends I lost to Covid-19, who died of not just with the virus.
The only meaningful figure is so-called ‘excess mortality’, which demonstrates how many more people died than would have been expected over a certain period of time.
Thus, postponed cancer treatments and major surgery appointments are included in the data, along with figures on reluctant non-visits to hospital emergency units for heart attacks etc. Not to mention numerous healthcare professionals who have left their posts after suffering from burnout.
Link on current European stats here:
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
False analogy. The number Covid fatalities in was 10-20 times that of the flu, because of easier transmission. In undervaccinated areas hospitals are filling up to capacity again. Medical staff attending to Covid is overwhelmed and exasperated over a now avoidable crisis.
Covid death rates were 5-10 times that of flu. But, ignoring vaccination, the rates are falling for two reasons: (i) the healthcare system is learning to treat it better; (ii) people who have already had covid have an immune system which deals with it better.
In Britain over 30 million people have had Covid. The death rates were falling, and would have, over time, fallen to the rates of regular flu. The vaccine lets us get there much more quickly, and without lots of people dying.
How ridiculous.
Funny but all the years I have travelled to Africa I have had to produce proof of vaccination against Yellow Fever and never once accused African Nations of ‘vaccine fascism’.
Yellow fever is far more dangerous than CV.
Just selfishness and all about you!
„..end of human freedom“: this is patently ridiculous. Try a week in North Korea
As we know, “TruthSeeker” and “Hayne” are trolls with an agenda to spread fear, uncertainty, and denial amongst those who are hesitant about getting vaccinated.
Take a look at the recent thread “The Covid Toll Keeps on Ticking” and you will see what I mean:
https://slippedisc.com/2021/08/the-covid-toll-keeps-on-ticking/
Norman, it’s time you blocked these (ab)users. You can do without these clicks!
I agree but we all know that will never happen, NL loves them. They anger us enough that we keep coming back. I am looking forward to his exclusive interview with Emily S. where she can talk about her “truth”.
Cancel culture. Typical of the brainless left.
Norman,
I beg you to please never delete posts like these.
They are illustrative examples of what intolerance look like.
Thanks,
Hayne
Yes Comrade H your colleagues at Fazze would be very upset if they lost you spreading disinformation on this site. As I am writing this all the ICU beds in the state of Mississippi are full with COVID patients including children. You should be very proud that your efforts and those of your fellow travelers have influenced large numbers of Americans in the south to avoid getting vaccinated resulting in 100K new infections daily and greater mortality due to the delta variant. You are very close to receiving that free weekend in the Black Sea resort and perhaps even a medal.
Jasmina Kulaglich: “De mon côté, je me dois d’obéir à la voix de mon âme, car c’est uniquement en étant en accord avec mes valeurs que je pourrai avancer sereinement.”
Quelle âme? Quelles valeurs, sauf l’égoïsme?
Wanted: Audience, dead or alive.
Seriously, by saying “music is for everyone” irrespective of vaccine status, the ones she is excluding are all those who are immunocompromised and at higher risk of getting severely sick if infected, and who do not choose to be so, unlike unvaccinated people. I’ve been in that situation, and I enjoyed being able to go to concerts with relative confidence nonetheless. If I were still severely immunocompromised, no way I’d go to an event without vaccine checks. Music would not be for me.
These immunocompromised or at-risk people are also the ones who have been shielding for over a year (in the UK, the ‘shielding’ instruction for risk groups was in place from March 2020 to May 2021). By prioritising those who choose not to be vaccinated, she is telling all these people – who do not choose to be at risk – that they are of lesser worth.
Wanted : Freedom. If you are afraid of covid stay home. But as for me, give me liberty or give me death.
What about all the people for whom “liberty” might well mean death? In the US, a low estimate is that there are 10 million severely immunocompromised people – 3,5% of the population. Does their life and “liberty” not count? Add older people in risk categories, and you get to a very sizeable chunk of the population who can be at high risk of severe illness or death if they get COVID. Do they not deserve to be able to go to concerts?
Once again, “music for all” irrespective of the risk they pose to the audience means, in fact, ‘music for some’, who can’t choose whether to be put at risk or not.
https://thebulletin.org/2008/01/the-growing-number-of-immunocompromised/
The CDC has revised their death count from covid19 alone in the US to only 6% of the figures.
This means around 10,000 have died in total.
There are easy ways to treat this in the early stage of the virus. Why is this being censored?
Another question. Aren’t you troubled in the least the censorship of science by big tech and the media?
My quick look at the CDC mortality overview shows an estimated 672,000 excess deaths and 5% of death certificates (that include COVID-19 as a cause) listing no other cause of death other than COVID-19. That comes out to 33,000 deaths from “covid19 alone.” The website suggests that that those COVID-19 only death certificates were “likely related to a lack of detail listed about other conditions present at the time of death.” So, the number is likely lower than 33,000, and your 10,000 may be correct (and documented somewhere I didn’t find in my quick search).
If your point is that people who die with COVID-19 overwhelmingly (95%+) have co-morbidities, I think most rational people are happy to concede the point. I’m also personally happy to concede that these figures support the idea that people without co-morbidities (about 55%) are not being irrational in regard to their own health when opting out of vaccinations.
55% of the U.S. population of 330M is 181.5M. Let’s use my bigger number of “covid19 alone” deaths (33,000) to calculate the percentage of that population that has died. That comes out to 0.018% of the U.S. population without co-morbidities dying from COVID-19. (If we use 10,000 deaths, it drops to 0.0055%.) That’s such a low personal risk that it should rationally be ignored.
Still, 45% of the U.S. population does have co-morbidity factors, including me, so that’s a bummer. And the total excess deaths is still estimated at 672,000. That means 0.43% (or 1 in 230) of people with co-morbidities have died. That’s a risk I want to address.
I’m not a scientist, but that analysis makes sense to me, and I haven’t seen it anywhere else. I’d appreciate being corrected if I’ve made a mistake. (This was an analyses in regard to personal risk and not societal good, which is an important, but separate, topic.)
https://freedomwire.com/cdc-new-death-stats/
Let’s assume you’re right. Then why all the propaganda for this crisis? Co-morbidity? That’s where those people have to deal with it, not the whole population. It’s always been that way. Again, why was easy effective treatment in the early stages stifled by governments, big tech and media? Please ask yourself that question about why?
You forgot the most important part of science: money. There were no distinctions made between people who died WITH and FROM Covid because the hospitals made more money if they listed the cause of death as Covid.
Comrade H your posts are increasingly fodder for a modern-day Kafkaesque novel. Keep posting disinformation for your handlers and soon you will have earned access for a weekend in one of the dachas on the Black Sea.
Fact check. You write:
“There are easy ways to treat this in the early stage of the virus. Why is this being censored?”
There are no easy ways to treat the virus in the early stages of the illness Covid-19. Nothing is being censored.
Link here:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-drugs-treatments.html
Quote: “There is no cure yet for Covid-19. Only one treatment, a drug called remdesivir, has been approved by the F.D.A. for the disease, and research suggests it may provide only a modest benefit to patients.”
I call bullshit and you should also.
https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-mass-protocol/
https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-mask-plus-protocol/
You haven’t heard of this? Of course not!
Keep reading the NYT.
Immunocompromised people have always had to take extra precautions. Patients who are immunocompromised are at increased risk for more severe influenza disease that appears to be more difficult to prevent and treat, according to research published in Clinical Infectious Diseases.
So, because they’ve always had to take precautions, we shouldn’t make efforts to minimise risks to them? Because they’ve always had to take precautions, it’s ok to expose them to deadly diseases willy-nilly? Because they’ve always had to take precautions, who cares?
You do realize that vaccinated people can now be spreaders? Who cares?
Did you give a damn about all the people who suffered needlessly around the world while we took “precautions”? How about the squelching of easy early treatment in 2020 so the “vaccines” would never have been necessary. Only a few million died for that one.
Who cares?
Comrade H another bs disinformation post and another 0.005 bitcoin in your account. No such easy treatments exist and no squelching occurred. Many ideas were tried and none worked, including your Sputnik-V vaccine, save for massive infusions of monoclonal anti-spike protein Ab which can never be scaled up. Last, please re-read your rant, it is even more incoherent than your usual attempts to spread disinformation.
Sigh, there are many different repurposed drugs for early treatment. It’s being censored in the media. No money for big pharma. You don’t care.
All I can say is, “Don’t forget your boosters!”
Hey, here’s an article by a Swedish professor who says to take 5 boosters. Hahahah! Where do these people come from?
Comrade H name 1 repurposed drug tested in anything resembling a GCP trial that is efficacious for treating COVID-19. The only reason your handlers won’t publicly endorse the use of vaccines is that they failed to make one that demonstrates anything close to >90% for preventing hospitalization and death with a p value of < 0.01. By the by why is that you never contribute anything to this site that pertains to music?
I’ve listed dozens and dozens of clinical studies of these drugs, many of them peer reviewed. I know you haven’t looked at one since you keep asking.
Moderna and Pfizer lost the clinical trial control group testing efficacy and safety.
They started vaccinating the “control” group shortly after receiving emergency use approval. Is that the kind of GCP trial you mean? I’m sure you know this so why would you give these people a pass? Yeah, yeah, not the narrative…
Comrade H a clinical study written up in one of your we the people websites for conspiracy disinformation operatives is not a GCP trial or of any relevance. The problem that you have with GCP trials is that they need to filed with real hospital IRBs that require details like how will the trial be carried out, what are the patient entry criterion, exactly what will be patients be given including dosing regimens, what will be measured, what will be evaluated and what safety procedures will be adhered to. At the end of the study a real report with numbers will be generated and statistically significant outcomes reported. Clearly too many words and ideas for bs merchants like you and your apparatchiks.
As for the Moderna/Pfizer study they only immunized the control group after it was shown in 40,000 participants that the vaccine group demonstrated >95% efficacy with a p value of <0.01. Most of the volunteers only agreed to participate in a placebo controlled study if they were guaranteed that the placebo group would receive the vaccine if it proved to be efficacious. Only a sadist like you would allow the placebo group to risk hospitalization and/or death by not vaccinating them. Stop spreading crap about a subject you do not understand and go back to selling used cars recovered from flood zones.
95% efficacy? That’s what long term studies are for.
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/wakeup-call-pfizer-vax-only-42-effective-against-infection-july
https://humansarefree.com/2021/08/five-vaccine-doses-to-qualify-as-fully-vaccinated.html
Once again you use a website to validate a moronic disinformation post that specializes in selling self-help seminars and weight loss treatments. At least give your handlers their money’s worth!
“Dans la situation actuelle, mon éthique humaine personnelle prend le dessus sur les termes d’une carrière.”
Mais — quelle carrière? (on peut poser la question…)
And yet she has no problem with people being barred from her concerts because they didn’t buy a ticket. Interesting.
That’s a false equivalency. There is a widespread and ongoing debate over COVID protocols in performance spaces. There is no debate that artists can charge for admission.
I think you are looking it from different perspective Emil which I understand. But how would you feel if a concert venue says: you can’t come to our concert or work here if you are vaccinated because we believe that vaccines compromise your immune system and you help spread the virus by being vaccinated”? I believe one school in Miami did something like that, which is pretty horrible right? The pianist here didn’t say I am going to perform only for unvaccinated people. She said she doesn’t want discrimination against people whatever their vaccine status is. Have you seen what you are signing when taking the vaccine? Insane, right? You and I might be ok with it but I am also fine if people don’t want to do it. In this case, there should be alternative health guidance for the unvaccinated but they shouldn’t be judged as they still protect themselves and others differently. Masks, tests etc. We talk about diversity, inclusion and equity but this goes beyond race, sexual orientation and social background. No one should be forced or judged and we should be more tolerant towards each other, don’t you think?
Yes, and by having a ‘I don’t exclude unvaccinated people’ policy, in effect you exclude most people in risk groups, who will not want to risk their lives to go to a concert with people who present unnecessarily high risks of transmission. Concretely, that is just as exclusionary, except that it excludes based on an unchangeable characteristic, rather on a selfish choice to not get vaccinated.
Society operates on ground rules to ensure the safety of all, as much as possible. That’s one.
Again, if I were still immunocompromised I would absolutely not go to a concert with unvaccinated people. And I shouldn’t have to choose between listening to music or protecting my health (and, to a lesser extent, that goes for all the other concertgoers too – they shouldn’t have to share their space with an infection risk just because people are too egoistic to do the bare minimum and get the shot).
False equivalence. Equality and equity, in their ideal forms, are based on science, not absolute relativism. The assumptions are women are not inherently inferior to men and one race is not inherently to another.
Unless unvaccinated people are not potentially riskier than vaccinated people, the two populations are not equivalent.
This is not a moral judgment but a practical one.
“Unless unvaccinated people are not potentially riskier than vaccinated people, the two populations are not equivalent.” To be continued…
To be continued only if disinformation is permitted and more importantly you don’t lose the password to your bitcoin account.
By not vaccinating, immunocompromised individuals who cannot vaccinate are being directly affected and could potentially be killed. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to ask for people to wash their hands before eating food, right? Transmitting a virus is a question of hygiene, not politics. Or are you going to say that you have a right to not wash your hands after working with manure? I would bar you from my house of that were the case. Therefore, the decision to ban unhygienic people seems reasonable to me.
Where did you get the idea that vaccinated people are “hygienic?” This is rapidly evolving as the “vaccines” are becoming obsolete. That’s why the booster shot nonsense is coming.
David: unfortunately, getting the vaccine does not stop you getting Covid, and thus it does not stop you spreading Covid. The vaccine stops you getting very sick when you have Covid, nothing more. So someone immunocompromised needs to avoid everyone, not just the unvaccinated.
Good for her, the vaxxed are super spreaders of the “Delta variant” now. It’s the unvaxxed that need to stay away from the vaxxed. They took the jab but can still catch covid, wear masks, practice social distance and get poisoned with frequent boosters. Not to mention higher risk of blood clots, heart inflammation, infertility and weakening of the immune system. Why would anyone take an untested, unapproved and experimental drug that has already killed according to the CDC 12,000 Americans? (Only 1 to 10% gets reported). What we learned from Fauci’s e-mails: 1- Covid came from a lab; 2- There’s no asymptomatic spread; 3- Face masks do not work; 4- No lockdowns were necessary; 5- Covid death numbers were greatly exaggerated to increase fear and isolation; 6- Fauci lied to Congress about gain of function research (bio-terrorism) several times under oath; 7- the main purpose of the scam was to make you take the untested, experimental toxin disguised as “va((ine”, which will weaken your immune system, change your DNA structure and trigger multiple organ failure in 6 to 24 months. And yes, crisis actor Donald Trump was in on it. Hilarious how Trump hating liberals were the first ones to line up for Trump’s jab “Get your vaccine, it’s a fantastic vaccine.” ~ Donald J Trump
Honestly, we don’t really care. Most of us vaxxed people know we can catch covid and we do only the minimal protection, such us if we have to travel or something, but overall, it is for quite a few months we stopped about caring about those who for more than a year had zero consideration for us. Those yapping now about “those vaxxers spreading delta” are the same that put us all in danger back before the vaccines were available, so now you get the taste of your own selfish medicine.
Outstanding post, Tovarishch! Since you are paid by the number of divisive, fear-mongering falsehoods you can manage to fit in each post, an extra measure of водка will be issued to you this month – naslazhdaytes’!
Also, to address your talking points – just because something makes sense/seem logical doesn’t make it true. That’s how most conspiracy theories work. So
1 might be true
2 there is
3 depends what kind, K95 do work
4 lockdowns are necessary because people are dumb, if people believed in science, like in Taiwan, no lockdowns would have been necessary
5 – numbers are actually under-reported in some places, that has been known for quite some time
6 – bio-terrorism is not getting the vaccine and allowing variants to mutate long enough in your body, that’s how variants emerge – when person is sick with Covid for too long time
7 – DNA and RNA are different, RNA doesn’t change DNA.
No evidence on lockdowns do good.
Quite the opposite.
Variants are coming through vaccinated people.
Obviously they are, but they do not mutate in vaccinated person because sickness is much less severe. Is that so hard to comprehend?
So if we don’t want MORE NEW variants, we need as many people vaccinated as possible.
And yes, lockdowns are the last resort, they have a lot of drawbacks, and they are not as efficient as one would want, but sometimes gvmt is out of options, especially with poorly functioning healthcare system.
Fact check:
“Unvaccinated people are basically the cannon fodder of the virus. The virus needs people to infect in order to replicate and the more people it has that are vulnerable or susceptible to infection, the more likely it will mutate”, says Dr Michael Saag, Professor of Medicine and Infectious diseases at the University of Alabama at Birmingham.
Link is:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jul/17/unvaccinated-coronavirus-covid-variants-us
That’s odd. Dr. Saag doesn’t mention the main way the virus can mutate. Here’s a short interview (yes, even Fox can get it right sometimes) on basic science.
https://rumble.com/vksa5n-immunology-professor-byram-bridle-there-is-no-pandemic-of-the-unvaccinated-.html
Comrade H really Byram Bridle another of the quacks you love to quote whose idea that the spike protein is a toxin is number 1 on the jackass quasi-science ideas of the month. Just once align yourself with someone, anyone, who actually publishes real data in a peer reviewed publication.
I don’t care what I’m called but labeling doctors and scientists that you disagree with as quacks is quite offensive. Time will show they’re right.
A scientist by definition is someone who designs experiments, generates data and draws conclusions based on those results. Not someone who addresses serious health-related issues with half-baked notions that are backed up by nothing. You have an agenda designed to enrich only you while potentially harming people who take your misinformation seriously.
If your latest source wanted to carry out real science here is a study he could conduct to evaluate his unsubstantiated claims. If spike protein (SP) is a toxin and not an immunogenic protein like 1000’s of others, then immunize nude mice or rats, which are severely T cell-deficient, with SP or a similarly constructed immunogenic protein and look for signs of toxicity. Please be sure that both are endotoxin-free.
Comrade H you are culpable for the effects of your disinformation campaign because you understand nothing about science or the scientific method, you promote the use of treatments that are useless/harmful and you try to discredit the one proven avenue for controlling the pandemic.
So that’s why the mRNA and spike protein were assumed to stay around the vaccination site. Pfizer’s data shows it distributed around the body within hours.
Those rat studies helped…
Comrade H please refrain from discussing science because you merely demonstrate beyond all doubt that you have no idea what you are talking about. The mRNA in the Pfizer vaccine is incorporated into muscle cells where it is translated resulting in the production of immunogenic SP. The SP is liberated from muscle cells and endocytosed by professional antigen presenting cells into peptides which bind to HLA class II molecules and stimulate SP-specific CD4 T cells. Those T cells then secrete lymphokines which enable plasma cells that are specific for SP to multiply and secret SP-specific neutralizing Abs.
If not for disinformation trolls like you this pandemic would be under control in countries with the resources to vaccinate their citizens and send vaccines to the rest of the world. Do you lack the common decency to realize that your efforts do nothing but spread death and misery to millions that now include children? Please don’t tell me again we’ll see; we are seeing the fruits of your “labor” every day.
The spike protein is supposed to stick at the injection site and not move about freely. The SARS-CoV-2 spike protein gets free and it is biologically active and causes severe problems. It is responsible for the most severe effects seen in Covid19 such as, bleeding disorders, blood clots throughout the body and heart problems.
Again, why the booster that are coming?
Crap and more crap. The spike protein doesn’t stick anywhere. It is processed and presented to T cells and it must be presented to B cells to activate them to secrete Ab. There is no toxicity from an isolated protein.
Just like Novak Djocovid, who managed to organize a tournament and getting people infected, this artist is responsible for future infections and hospitalizations from her concerts, wherever they may be.
Looks like you jumped the gun on this. Your fear mongering was unwarranted.
“This is purely the voice of my heart speaking”. By necessity when lives are at stake a functioning head takes precedent over heart.
What a difference a couple of years make! You people ended up so utterly wrong. Injected experimental drugs into your body to protect against a disease whose danger was overblown.
“The voice of my heart speaking”. The brain might be a more appropriate organ in this situation.
Her brain was working better than yours because she ended up being right. You were fooled by propaganda.
“PS – this post is in no way an invitation to controversy…..”
Oh, please, she should count the dead; then she should think about whether she wants to be responsible for more. No one ever said that all pianists had common sense and decency.
The dead were almost entirely people who were older than the life expectancy. Now children are dying at record rates from these experimental drugs.
This pianist needs to be in jail! We need vaccine passports around the whole world in order for one to leave their house.
Are there ANY rational classical musicians in Eastern Europe – even one?