1,000 new Covid cases in small 2-day music festival
mainThe Verknipt outdoor festival, near Utrecht in the Netherlands, was attended by 20,000 people over two days. All were required to show proof of vaccination or a recent negative test.
Despite these precautions, 1,050 attenders have since tested positive for Covid-19, according to the local heath board.
This is seriously not good news.
Report here.
Gee, what a surprise…
Small music festival, or short music festival? 20,000 people does not seem small, 2 days seems short.
Bizarrely appropriate name – the Dutch word ‘verknipt’ means crazy …
“All were required to show proof of vaccination”… no, that is not what the report says. They were required to show proof of a prior test, previous infection, or vaccination.
It didn’t say they needed proof of vaccination. It was proof of vaccination, recent infection, OR a negative test taken within 40 hours of the event.
Yes, and it appears that that period was too long. Since infection mainly travels through the air in badly ventilated spaces, people will have been infected before or just after the festival, in a bus, or café, etc.
Meanwhile this does not mean that those infected people were ill.
I’ve already been to Tanglewood twice. Am I going to die?!
Yes!
But maybe not for a long time, and probably not from Covid.
Verknipt und zugenäht!
This is about as convincing as Bruckner being attacked by a lawnmower.
Just curious — what WOULD it take to convince you that there is a disease, it is infectious, and that people should take care?
Donald Trump saying so?
Donald Trump was hospitalized with the virus at one of the top facilities in the world and received ultra expensive, high end medication. But even before the virus, Putin considered him “mentally unstable.” Since then, he’s worse.
Maybe much ado about nothing. How many did actually get seriously sick? Remember that ‚cases’ in WHO PCR Test regime speak means, that at least one molecule fragment of Sars-CoV2 virus RNA was found. If that person is actually infected, or potentially infectious to others, is not demonstrated.
Even if they are not seriously sick, they can make their parents, grand-parents and colleagues seriously sick, is it really worth it?
Why do so many not realize there are ways of treating it early? Yes, information is heavily censored but still a little curiosity would help stop this constant fear mongering.
Perhaps we should wait until the stupidity of facilitating the generation of viral mutants results in one which completely escapes neutrality by existing vaccines. Much ado about nothing until someone you actually care about dies an agonizing death.
Death is always horrible and nothing new. People die every day, many agonising deaths. As soon as the special threat of Covid-19 is gone – I would say that’s the case with the vaccination of the elderly – it becomes a normal life risk, like many other viral diseases.
For younger generations it is as or less threatening as the flu. Fact.
And mutants: nothing particularly worrying, the usual way of a virus is that the mutants become less deadly.
Like Comrade Hayne you clearly received your science training from science fiction journals. As we speak there are increasing numbers of children on ventilators throughout the unvaccinated regions of the US due to infection with COVID-19. Only a moron or sadist suggests that people dying every day is an acceptable response to a viral disease that can be prevented through vaccination. As for your last sentence please google DELTA VARIANT. If you understood how a neutralizing Ab functions you would realize that once aa substitutions change the 3-D shape of a protein Ab induced by the wildtype virus can no longer bind and is thus rendered useless. To date the substitutions have made the virus more infectious and lethal.
No hyperbole here:)
The delta variant is less lethal. It’s 99.7% the same as the original.
Don’t act like a scared little girl. It’s unseemly behavior.
“Comrade Hayne” haha! I kind of like it.
Please don’t talk science it gives you a headache. As any immunologist/virologist knows 99.7% homology is immaterial it is the position of even a single aa substitution that is critical. What do you possibly gain by the misinformation about lethality? Your unseemly behavior comment is the proverbial coals to Newcastle comment.
Amos, you are as much of a fantacist as Hayne. Both of you need to stop your paranoid fantasies and anti-science and get a grip.
Children (with a few extremely rare exceptions) have fantastically low risk from getting seriously ill from Covid. Most younger adults also have rather low risk. Medium and high risk people (such as older people) can make the risk of serious illness very low by getting vaccinated.
The virus will gradually evolve (which happens for all viruses). Over time, the vaccine will need to be tweaked to remain fully effective against the virus (although, even if it is not tweaked, it will provide some protection). This is completely normal and nothing to get alarmed about.
Once most high risk people have had the vaccine, then we can and should return to normal. The virus will still be around, and some people will still get seriously ill. But the numbers getting very ill will be very small.
High risk people will be wise to get regular booster jabs. The rest of us probably don’t need to bother. This is exactly the same as for the flu jab.
Yes, that’s how it went with the plague outbursts in the past – so, nothing to worry about.
Please, stop this nonsense. Covid is a NOVEL disease that is very clearly changing before our eyes, and we are trying to understand it. You think you have a solid, understanding of it; trained scientists might be a bit less quick to preach their diagnosis of the situation.
Unfortunately, for your comment, the study of SARS-CoV has a long history and informs meaningfully the work on COVID-19. Do you really think a vaccine with >90% efficacy against COVID-19 could have been developed in months if scientists were dealing with a NOVEL entity? No one is preaching merely trying to provide the best guidance to prevent death and disease.
“T-cells from a convalescent person or an immunized person each recognize all the then -available variants, again as anticipated by fundamentals of immunology.” Dr. Michael Yeadon former Vice President of Pfizer and Chief Science Officer.
This poor guy has had to endure many smear pieced and censorship from the media.
Does this overwhelming censorship on so many doctors and scientists not bother you?
To date, the variants are recognized by individuals immunized with Pfizer and Moderna and prevent hospitalization not infection. Given the higher viral loads caused by the delta variant, which results in greater lethality in unimmunized individuals, it is currently unclear to what extent immunized individuals are spreading the delta variant. Neither Dr. Yeadon nor anyone else knows or can predict when the next variant/mutant will evade immune detection due to low avidity viral peptide binding to HLA class II molecules and/or the failure of existing CD4 T cell TCR in immune individuals to recognize the new viral peptide-class II complex.
As for your latest bs spewing “persecuted expert” see the following summation:
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-health-coronavirus/fact-check-fact-check-ex-pfizer-scientist-repeats-covid-19-vaccine-misinformation-in-recorded-speech-idUSL2N2N72CS
Promote vaccination, stop touting BS treatments and stop lying about the danger posed by new mutants which arise in large part by people like you spreading disinformation!
No real surprise. A negative test from up to 48 hours earlier does not guarantee being noninfectious on the day, given the latency of the virus.
With the prominence of the Delta variant and the known weakness of the protection some vaccines offer against it, proof of vaccination is also not proof against infectiousness.
Both are better than nothing, but they fall short of guaranteeing safety. The risk assessment is up to the individual concertgoer.
The good(ish) news is that if one is vaccinated, one’s mortality risk upon infection decreases from c. 2% to c. 0.02% or less (99% of recent deaths are of unvaccinated individuals).
The mortality risk is definitely not has high as 2 percent for the unvaccinated. More like 1-in-300 in the whole population.
Of course, if you are high risk, then mortality is higher (1-in-3 for people in a care home, perhaps even higher). Equally, for a young adult in good health, the risk is something like 1-in-100,000.
Taking the vaccine reduces the risk to a number a great deal below 0.02 percent for the average person.
Covid is dangerous, but nowhere near as dangerous as you are claiming.
Regarding Utrecht:
As in most years except last, I was planning to attend the Festival Oude Muziek in late August.
After the cavalier lifting of all precautions by the Dutch government at the end of June, while the Festival organizers were still selling tickets at “100% of nominal capacity” — as per Festival website statement — I thought it more prudent to cancel my reservation of a beautiful studio on Oude Gracht, calculating that Covid-19 infections would soon soar.
So they did. With a vengeance.
But the Verknipt madness took even my usually relaxed hosts by surprise.
In the meantime, Oude Muziek organizers are sticking to their old guns:
— no masks unless legally required (“Momenteel geldt er geen mondkapjesplicht voor onze concerten.“)
— “Coronatoegangsbewijs” along the lines followed with such tremendous success at Verknipt (“op basis van uw vaccinatie- of herstelbewijs of negatieve testuitslag”)
— Plus the customary 1.5 m distancing, elbow coughing, and washing of hands (compromised since Mark 7).
The seating plans at the various locations do not yet reflect how even such minimal distancing is to be achieved, least of all at the Tivoli Vredenburg (which I dread even outside a pandemic).
The best of luck to them.
https://oudemuziek.nl/over-ons/coronamaatregelen/
The widespread take-up of the vaccine means that “getting Covid” no longer results in a large proportion of those getting it ending up in hospital or dying. This is the aim of the vaccine programme: getting covid will be the equivalent of mild flu. Once the link between Covid and serious illness has been broken, then we can largely return to normal.
Hence what you should be concentrating on, is not whether some people got Covid, but how many got seriously ill.
It’s the delta variant; a huge problem world-wide but not to the nitwits who will press for the Olympics in Japan.
Infections in the Olympic village were reported this morning.
Although an ‘open air’ event it was probably way too crowded.
And people were too closely ‘packed’.