Prince Charles stokes London orchestra rivalry
OrchestrasThe Prince of Wales has become Patron of the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra in its 75th year, it has been announced.
He is already Patron of the Philharmonia Orchestra, and its most unfluential fundraiser.
This will not go down well below stairs.
“unfluential” – really?
Prince Charles is a well-known classical music lover, so why not be the Patron of two London orchestras – particularly if one has a “Royal” appellation?
Further evidence of you stirring up a ‘story’ where none exists?
“Further evidence of you stirring up a ‘story’ where none exists?”
Precisely.
“Unfluential” is a great word! I’m going to start using it.
Seventy five years? Really! Never heard that though he used to brought the late Princess Diana before they’re still married but never mentioned he’s the patron at those times.
He is a fine cellist and I often saw him as himself, not as the Prince of Wales, at the opera. He is also our future King!
As an American with no horse in the race so to speak, I have to say that it boggles my mind how so many in the royal family look completely German (which obviously is their lineage). Could Prince Charles look any more German than in this photograph? I think not.
You mean like Theodor Heuss?
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Heuss
“Herr Doktor” — American.
lol
Erm… how does one actually “look German”? What a silly comment!
He looks like George the Third!
And?
Well Adolf looked German and he was Austrian, something most austrians like to keep quiet about.
In college, one of my professors for a German history class started the semester with a joke I’ve never forgotten: “You have to hand it to the Austrians. They’ve managed to make the world think that Beethoven was Austrian, and Hitler was German.”
Yes, Hitler is German part his heritage was New.
Sorry, keyboard mistake. It should typed Hitler was Jewish.
Reductio ad hitlerum. Time to leave the conversation.
You can’t tell Germans and Austrians apart by looking at them (they are also part of the same ethnicity).
Practically no Austrian would deny that Hitler was Austrian. Ironically, the one Austrian who would deny it was Hitler himself, who was a German ultra-nationalist, hated the concept of an Austrian nation, and literally wiped the name ‘Austria’ off the map – he changed all the names into Ostmark, Oberdonau, Niederdonau, etc.
He was not Austrian any more when he began to do politics. He fought WW1 with the Bavarian Army and Austria denied him the Austrian nationality that he had acquired by birth. Hitler from then on was German.
Yes, and it’s working spectacularly well.
Wow.
Please, enlighten us: what does a German look like?
You can’t mistake them….they are tall,have beady eyes,a smirk on their face and a large scar down the right cheek,you can’t miss them.Rather like crossing Waterloo Bridge at 8am in the 60s you could tell the englishmen,they all had bowlers.
Yes, he does isn’t. Just watched with my lovely wife last Sunday in PBS Documentary their Heritage that they’re part German. I thought my wife was niggling me about it before till I watched and listened to the Documentary. She watched and read books about the Royal Family especially the late HRH Prince Philip family who saved the Jews to be persecuted.In Israel his aunt tomb in the Holy Sepulcher/ Church for all Nations. So there’s no racisms in their family.
I dunno, all those European royal families tend to resemble each other anyway… possibly because they’re all cousins.
Perhaps because they crowns as well?
Aren’t all the Anglo-Saxons German anyway? They are the Germanic tribes that invaded Britain back in the mists of time.
It’s like being boggled that North Dakotans look like South Dakotans.
Oh for goodness sake,surely you can tell a North Dakotan from a South Dakotan.
It is not clear how many Anglo-Saxons actually migrated into Britain. Most “anglo-saxons” may well have been celts who adopted an anglo-saxon identity. In any case, almost everyone who is in England has ancestors who were immigrants in the last few hundred years (for example, over half the population have some Huguenot ancestors).
The claim that these identities are biological and have biological markers which can distinguish how they look is absurd.
Silly. What is the “German” look?
I wouldn’t know what a German looked like, only when they open their mouths and speak German – or speak English with a dreadful accent and with th missing!!!
Maria,I am struggling to fink what you mean.
I seem to remember that the RPO’s patron was once the Queen.
More recently the orchestra dumped Prince Andrew from the role.
Are you sure about that? H.M. the Queen Mother was Patron of the RPO for many decades (though she had little more than a passing interest in classical music, unlike her second daughter), and when she died the Orchestra invited Prince Andrew to become its Patron. Now, wasn’t that an inspired choice?
You are right.
Having heard the Prince of Wales waxing so affectionately about “his” orchestra many times in the past, it calls into question how much loyalty he thinks he needs to demonstrate to the Philharmonia. There is no other Royal personage that is patron of two different orchestras.
HRH The Prince of Wales has also been Patron of the English Chamber Orchestra since 1977, is a strong supporter of theirs, and regularly comes to their concerts.
There probably isn’t too much fear of dilution with his adding one more orchestra as he is already Patron of numerous musical charities including:
– British Youth Opera
– Live Music Now
– Music in Country Churches
– The Bach Choir
– The Monteverdi Choir and Orchestra
– The Royal Opera House
– The Cornish Federation of Male Voice Choirs
– The Tetbury Music Festival
– one of the Handel House’s Trusts
– The Harrogate International Festival
He’s also President of the Associated Board (ABRSM), RCM, Three Choirs Festival and many dozens of wider ranging charities.
Perhaps most pleasingly of all, I’ve just spotted that he’s Patron of the Goon Show Preservation Society.
Also in Wales patron of Welsh National Opera and of the Royal Welsh College of Music and Drama.
In Wales, Prince Charles is patron of the National Orchestra of Wales.
The ECO hardly competes for exactly the same audiences who go to RPO and Philharmonia concerts, nor does it share the same concert venues, whereas two big symphony orchestras in London very much fight for attention in the same areas.
The Prince’s Goon Show enthusiasm figures: let it not be forgotten that half a century ago he wrote the preface to “The Brand New Monty Python Papperbok” (sic).
All I can say, this was an interesting topics of the day.
What about the RSNO patronage?
Is it still HRMQEII & The Royal Family?
Ask the wee Nicola Sturgeon!
As it is well-known, HRH Prince Charles has been a fervent supporter of Arts and Music throughout his life and spoke very movingly about the plight of the Arts world in general – and its future – during the height of the Pandemic, which is more than any of our pathetic British Politicians ever have. All power to him as well as the Philharmonia and Royal Philharmonic Orchestras, and all Orchestras throughout the world, at this time. We urgently need artistic and political unity just now and not articles aimed at striking division where there is none. Music and the Arts will be needed even more potently in the coming months and years ahead as we emerge and heal ourselves and those we love from the dark shadow of Lockdowns throughout the world. As for ‘unfluential’, you clearly need a proofreader. Am up for the challenge.
Are you never guilty of a typo? If that is the case, you must be a paragon of virtue.
Is he publishing a blog?
The Queen Mother used to be the RPO’s patron. In fact, the first orchestral concert I ever went to was conducted by the late, great Rudolf Kempe and she was there. Obviously a woman of wonderful taste.
It was said that when the RPO was in financial difficulties and without a permanent home, it was suggested to the QM that the RPO should lose its Royal title, the QM told the person who made the suggestion where to get off.
The Queen Mum was a great lover of music, a former Patron and President of the Royal College of Music (which she visited often) and a friend and supporter of Britten and Pears who, respectively, wrote and performed ‘A Birthday Hansel’ (settings of Burns poems) for the QM’s 75th birthday. Her published correspondence demonstrates again and again her deep love and understanding of music and literature, so having ‘little more than a passing interest in classical music’ could not be further from the truth.