Adam Fischer: Hungary will never be a democracy
mainThe less outspoken of the two conductor brothers (left of picture)has given a rare interview in Vienna, to mark the publication of his biography.
Here’s what Adam says about his home country: ‘I have already said and I repeat: Hungary will never be a democracy, a feudalist instinct will always remain. Whoever rules holds the reins. If Orbán were to lose, two to three million people will immediately say they never voted for him. They just jump over to the other side….
‘[Orban] is intelligent and knows exactly what he is doing, knows that he is poisoning society by keeping out foreigners. He is not interested in how he gets what he needs. He would also be a good Social Democrat if that were in his interest.’
Read on here.
There’s no such thing as democracy. There’s always people at the top controlling everything using religion and money and they’ll give you just a tiny deposit of freedom to brainwash you into thinking you have the freedom YOU deserve!
A great number of people from a large number of countries would be very happy with a “tiny deposit of freedom”.
Nonsense. Democracy is a structurally-relative system based upon the rule of law rather than the power of majorities. Therefore, democratic government is representative through political parties. It is far from ideal, but the division of powers help to prevent, or can contain and restrict, unlawful behavior by undermining forces. For people like the author of this comment, it may be helpful to read a bit about the background of their own anger:
https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v37/n23/pankaj-mishra/bland-fanatics
Bore-slap. Your definition of “democracy” is just wrong. Most western societies, for good reasons, temper the role of “democracy” in everyday life by ensuring minorities are protected, and that the accused receive a proper trial.
That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t ATTEMPT to put one in place, right??!
Democracy is a scam, so no big loss
Yes, it’s a bloody nuisance – especially when it delivers the leader you didn’t want. You do need a healthy dose of “loser consent” for it to actually survive – and there’s one major democracy where ‘loser consent’ disappeared overnight in 2016.
The year after which loser consent disappeared in the US was 1992. And the individual who deserves more blame for it than anyone else is Newt Gingrich.
Sue, we all REALLY appreciate your weighing in on so many non-musical subjects. But please, you need to think of yourself first, this is taking FAR TOO MUCH TIME AWAY FROM JORDAN PETERSON. The time you spend writing here, is time you’re not watching a Jordan Peterson video. We’re all grateful for your sacrifice on our behalf, but really, it’s too much for us to accept. I think we’ll all be happiest if you just go back to your Jordan Peterson videos. I’m sure it’s not possible to truly be satisfied with watching any of them even only 4800 times.
Because everyone knows what a paradise the Communist Soviet Union was.
Unfortunately, increasing number of people do not.
Indeed. Anyone under the age of 35 or so will have no actual memory of the USSR. Anyone under the age of 45 will have little to no memory of the USSR pre-Gorbachev.
Paradise for Gulls. I think I vaguely remember a song which bore much the same title!! 🙂
Indeed, it was an absolute disaster. Look at us now – only 50% of the world lives below the poverty line – obviously a far superior system.
You are right, but those who are lucky enough to live in the “free world” do not understand and do not appreciate that. So far, Hungary, Poland and Czech Republic proved to be the smartest and safest countries in Europe. And Sweden has a 33% increase in violent rape crime and 8% increase on top only in one year 2019!! Judge for yourself
He may not be as charismatic as his brother, but he is just as good. I find it almost incomprehensible that his brother is trying to run an orchestra, while justifiably being hostile to the regime which ultimately determines its fate. I am a huge admirer of Ivan Fischer as a conductor, less as a composer, but do not envy his situation in relation to the current regime.
Maybe anything at all is preferable to communist rule in Hungary, from a foreign power.
That‘s exactly what they said in Germany in 1932 as well.
Perhaps, but unfortunately they did not stop there. Instead they followed it by saying and, more importantly, doing many other far more destructive things.
He’s a better conductor than his brother but his recent Mahler 8 recording is atrocious. A big let down. Shame.
Ok, I just listened to his Mahler 8. Atrocious? Please cite evidence. I just don’t hear anything atrocious in this performance.
Oh…. so whatever Orban chooses to do is wrong.
In the 1950s, the Hungarian dictator Rakosi called himself “Stalin’s best pupil.”
Today, Orban could call himself “Putin’s best pupil.”
And Trump is the class dunce.
The Hungarians have endured centuries of oppression and rule from a distance: from the Austro-Hungarian diktats to the post-war Communists from Russia. As recently as the late 19th century Hungarians were looking to extricate themselves from the Habsburgs. Their reward in the long run was vicious Soviet communism after the dust of WW2 settled. And they weren’t freed from that until recently.
Like the Russians before them, their transition to ‘democracy’ is proving challenging because so much of repression is imprinted in their DNA.
Trump gets that and so do I.
Just came back from Budapest…..did not notice much of a repression. People are happy, streets are clean as a whistle, unlike the “wonderful” rule in France, where one cannot safely walk one block in Paris today!
Don’t compare your views with those of trump. He believes in nothing other than monetizing every moment of the day for his personal benefit no matter how illegal or immoral. You, based on your posts here, are the ultimate anachronism desperately trying to hold onto the 1930’s by rationalizing the actions of every two-bit right-wing authoritarian thug on the world stage.
As usual you’ll be enthralled with Orban as long as he vilifies immigrants. Your 1 humane post the other day was as predicted the outlier.
Democracy is one valid form of government, but certainly not the only valid form of government.
5 dislikes versus 2 likes – and thus, democracy votes that democracy is the only valid form of government. There’s something to be learned here but I’m not sure that they would get it…
“Keeping out foreigners” seems to be some kind of code for not accepting its ‘share’ of the EU vast quantity of migrants. There are plenty of foreigners here.
High time Hungary gets booted out of EU
As if “democracy” were self-evidently good or something to aspire to. Orban is the finest leader and statesman in Europe today, and his vision for Europe is far deeper and truer than that espoused by the EU and its ilk, which like to claim it its desiccated leftist values are true “European values.”
That Adam Fischer chastises Orban for “not allowing in foreigners,” i.e. not undermining Hungarian society by inviting in masses of unassimilable third world immigrants, is typical of the leftist, EU-oriented mindset. For him and EU types, “migrants” have more rights than the indigenous people and cultures of Europe. They want nothing less than to undermine and destroy Western culture.
What absolute, utter, moronic nonsense to suggest that the conscious goal of the leftist EU-oriented mindset is to destroy Western culture. Peace in Europe has been scarce quite literally forever – the EU might not be the reason for the last seventy years of relatively peaceful relations but it certainly has helped maintain the greatest level of peace in centuries. Brexit has certainly not made things more peaceful, and the rampant anti-semitism and xenophobia in Hungary certainly hasn’t brought peace either.
“he is poisoning society by keeping out foreigners.”
What the hell this supposed to mean?