Vienna Phil ignored Barenboim for 24 years

Vienna Phil ignored Barenboim for 24 years

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norman lebrecht

December 31, 2021

An outstandingly dull press conference for the New Year’s Day concert yielded one worthwhile item of information.

The Vienna Philharmonic chairman Daniel Froschauer recalled the Danel Barenboim, who is conducting New Years Day for the third time, made his debut with the orchestra in Salzburg as a pianist in 1965.

Although he became a full-time conductor a decade later, Vienna did not invite him to conduct them until 1989 – by which time he had been music director in Paris and was now in Berlin.

What took them so long?

Comments

  • gimel says:

    “What took them so long?”

    Good judgment.

  • Cynical Bystander says:

    “An outstandingly dull press conference for the New Year’s Day concert…”

    Before an outstandingly dull concert which past its sell by date, emphasis on the sell, decades ago.

    • Piano Lover says:

      Don’t forget the Strauss Waltzes…pick up any New year’s concert with whatever conductor:same program for the dummies.
      Easy job!

    • Rabengeraun says:

      Couldn’t agree more – Kleiber 1992 should have been the last one but, as you infer, it’s all about money and this concert is the Vienna Phil’s biggest annual money-spinner

    • Tamino says:

      You are not forced to watch.
      Millions apparently like it.
      Vienna Phil does a lot of other programs too, there is also something for you in it probably.

      Good for them to have an actively lived tradition.

      I find this predictable lame snobbery of yours so boring.

  • Piano Lover says:

    “””What took them so long”””-May be Barenboim found it more financially interesting to stay where he was at the time!!

    • Paul Carlile says:

      I’d be surprose if D Bareboim were motivote purely by financial concerns. He’s made enuf and given plenty, (foundations, youth orchestras, etc…). Prestige and glory wd be more likly. (Not a fan as codutor, and his pino plonking is past its bets….stil a remarkabull phenomene as a pollyvalent musican).
      Solly, it’s Ewe Nears Heave….. fart oom any oysters & bianco…

  • Concertgebouw79 says:

    A lot of great conductors have never directed the WP or did that tardily. I don’t think that Ivan Fischer or Neeme Järvi ever worked with the WP. But they are among the best conductors of the last 30 years without doubts.

    • Fernandel says:

      Both Ivan Fischer and Neeme Järvi are competent conductors. Not more, not less.

    • Jobim75 says:

      Neeme Jarvi, really? Jarvi is an interesting conductor because of unusual broadness of his repertoire and curiosity, too bad he plays so much music unprepared, reading at sight.

  • Pianofortissimo says:

    The barbarians tried many times before the got into Rome.

  • Corno di Caccia says:

    I’m not a fan of Barenboim the conductor at all, although I’ll probably watch the New Year’s Day concert as it’s tradition. I can put up with his piano playing, although he would never be a first choice. Is it the case that he’s now to be known as ‘Danel’, as stated in the second paragraph of the above article. Maybe he’ll be better at ‘conduting’ than he is at conducting. I also take note of the new spelling of third as ‘thierd’ and will adopt it in my vokaboolarry immeediatelly. Naughty typos, I presume. I won’t charge a proofreader’s fee on this occasion.
    Happy New Year to you all.

  • John Borstlap says:

    It seems there is an obligation to be invited by the VPO when you make a conducting career, like a stamp of approval.

  • Dirk says:

    I wonder if players will scowl at him and refuse to shake his hand again this year during the “Racist” Radetzky March….?

  • Mario Lutz says:

    May Be due a mistake like yours unable, to typing “Daniel” twice…

    The Berlin Philharmonic established in the concert hall in central Berlin by October 1963. At the end of the first season in the new building, Director General Wolfgang Stresemann commissioned the young Barenboim for a concert including Bela Bartok’s first Piano Concerto. Five years after his debut on piano, Barenboim performed as a conductor with the orchestra.

    Stresemann had a stern warning for him, though, saying he wouldn’t be able to pull off being a pianist as well as a conductor. “You have to choose,” he told the young star.

    • Piano Lover says:

      DB is the only musician who can cope with both functions that he loves very much.Unlike some “pianists” who switch to conducting as discussed in an old post no longer available.

    • Jobim75 says:

      He didn’t chose and went from wunderkind to average conductor and pianist , greedy for money, power, political insight…..

    • 18mebrumaire says:

      Well, Stresemann got that one wrong. Did he extend his gratuitous professional advice to composer/conductors, composer/pianists and the like? Somewhat ironic considering that DB was performing Bartok.

  • Nephron56 says:

    Gee, that’s such a tough one. But they also hired Thielemann to do their recent live Bruckner recordings with, as an aside, decidedly mixed results; whose Bruckner do you think we’ll still be listening to in 50 years, Thielemann or Barenboim? Just Google “Berlin Operas Are Feuding, With Anti-Semitic Overtones” and maybe the causative problem emerges?

    • Tristan says:

      Thielemann with Bruckner definitely, Barenboim never

    • Sue Sonata Form says:

      Bruckner himself is enough of a deterrent, never mind Thielemann or Barenboim. They’re just collateral damage.

      Memo to the boffins: less is more.

    • Barry Guerrero says:

      I think the more pertinent question is, who will care in fifty years time. I’m not sure many do today.

    • Nydo says:

      We probably will be listening to neither in 50 years; there are many other excellent choices.

      • Barbara says:

        Nydo That is what I am wondering with all this talk/criticism – the excellent choices are? I have seen only a bit of a Christmas concert years ago on TV. After waltzing around the house with my husband, I had to retreat to other listening but that’s just me.. Is it all Strauss(or Strauss family)? In the land of Mozart, Haydn. I know tradition… so let them enjoy.

    • Harry Collier says:

      Furtwängler, Horenstein, Haitink, Wand. Certainly not Barenboim.

  • St. Andrew says:

    Good taste. Another ego with nothing to say was simply not needed.

    • Nicholas says:

      “Another ego with nothing to say…” – I don’t judge him too harshly on musical matters. I place him alongside Menuhin and Mazael, two other baton waivers, steeped in the humanities, multilingual, and overflowing with musical talent and skill. In my utopian thoughts I envision Barenboim to be the perfect philosopher-king to solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. His work with Edward Said fostered the West-Eastern Divan Orchestra, a noble institution to teach and train young musicians of varied ethnicities and nationalities in the peaceful, collaborative effort in making music that, I pray, will lay the groundwork for future generations to build on. I shall enjoy watching and listening to Daniel Barenboim conduct the VPO on New Year’s day and reaffirm my belief in the power of music. Happy New Year to everyone who visit this blog: the creators, the regular commentators, the reticent commentators, and the quiet readers.

  • Tom Phillips says:

    Probably anti-semitism – a ubiquitous problem in Austrian society, even in relatively liberal and cosmopolitan Vienna, especially back then.

  • Louy says:

    Parce que D.Barenboim est un chef brouillon !
    Et qu’à l’époque il y avait des chefs d’orchestre d’une autre envergure.

  • Brettermeier says:

    “Danel Barenboim, who is conduting New Years Day for the thierd time”

    Happy new year!

  • MacroV says:

    I thought there was going to be answer about that 24-year gap.

  • Rob says:

    They didn’t invite Blomstedt until he was in his 80s.

    • Matthew DeNero says:

      Blomstedt is a great conductor. Many have known it since the 1970s, but he mostly conducted in East Germany. I have known it since the late 1980s when I used listened to the San Francisco Symphony radio broadcasts, and then bought some Blomstedt CDs. He has kind of a stodgy personality. It wasn’t until Blomstedt went back to conduct regularly in Europe in the 1990s that the Concertgebouw and VPO wanted him for Bruckner first, and then everything else.

  • Hal Hobbs says:

    thierd time’s a charm.

  • Eyal Braun says:

    Herbert Blomstedt was first invited to conduct the VPO when he was nearly 90. I am not sure Gunther Wand ever conducted the orchestra…

  • green knight says:

    “What took them so long?”

    Natural good taste.

  • Peter says:

    1989 Karajan died

  • MacroV says:

    I’m not a big fan of Barenboim as an interpreter though I don’t dispute his mastery of the craft.

    I find the VPO New Year’s show a bit tedious, as there is so little variety in the pieces – if only they would work in a few more composers not named Strauss (or another one who is) – but I appreciate that no other orchestra can do this kind of program nearly as well, though many sort of try – “New Years in Vienna” being kind of a programming cliche. The stylistic cohesion, the “Vienna 3/4,” etc..

  • Richard Zencker says:

    All I know is that I tried to view the concert on American TV and failed miserably.

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