Bayreuth’s conductor has not been vaccinated

Bayreuth’s conductor has not been vaccinated


norman lebrecht

July 21, 2021

The Ukrainian Oksana Lyniv, in charge of the new Flying Dutchman, is the first woman ever to conduct at Bayreuth.

She tells the New York Times today: ‘I have not yet been vaccinated, though I plan to. But we have PCR tests every day. And I don’t meet anybody or go anywhere — except rehearsal.’



  • Minnesota says:

    “I plan to.” Sheesh. Is there a betting line on her testing positive soon….

    • James, in Austria says:

      Minnesota, pretty ignorant thing to say. Are you trying to hurt her because you are fearful yourself?

      • Piston1 says:

        What’s ignorant about it? She hasn’t been vaccinated.

      • Luis Saltiel says:

        How can you hurt anyone with an online comment? If she’s not vaccinated ad working in that closed pit with a nearly 100-piece orchestra, bets are that she may get it from another non-vaccinated person.

        • Saxon says:

          You do know that vaccinated people can get Covid don’t you (even if they are much less likely to get seriously ill when they have it). The vaccine isn’t going to eliminate the virus, and we are going to have to learn to live with it.

    • Berlin says:

      Which way would you bet, and why?
      Do you want her to test positive? It seems like it from your comment.
      Do you know why she hasn’t been vaccinated yet? Are you judging her? What makes you more qualified to judge her situation?

      • Ken says:

        No. Minnesota’s point is absolutely right. Anyone who is not vaccinated is going to be infected sooner or later. And actually with the delta variant, more sooner than later.
        Get your shots, folks.

        • Althea T-H says:

          Not necessarily.

        • Maria says:

          You can get infected with the jabs but not as badly or as seriously, and stop further mutations getting through. As per the English Heath Sectretay last week who in spite of two jabs, fell ill.

      • Piston1 says:

        It’s not an emotional issue — she hasn’t been vaccinated.

    • Gustavo says:

      If she simply refuses being jabbed (chipped) she may be at risk of being banned from Wahnfried.

    • Wise Guy says:

      And if she tests positive, is it the end of the world? Do you have any sense of proportion?

      • Piston1 says:

        — Yes: the proportion is that she’s crammed in with about 100 people in an opera pit. And it’s Bayreuth so it’s under a giant roof.

    • Nick says:

      She is free to do what she likes, but Bayreuth must think twice before hiring a fresh face and possibly subjecting the whole crew to an unpredictably and potentially tragic situation!!!

  • Neal says:

    Two mice in a bar. One asks, “Vaccinated yet?” The other mouse answers, “Not yet. I’m waiting for them to finish testing it on humans.”

  • M McAlpine says:

    About as intelligent as saying, “I’ve not moved off this railway line yet, but I plan to!” But then, she does conduct some numbskull works at Bayreuth, doesn’t she?

  • Kyle says:

    I’m for vaccinations, but given the goal of keeping the orchestra playing, daily testing seems better, frankly. You can still catch and spread when vaccinated, and the vaccination makes it potentially less likely one would know they are infected because of decreased symptoms. It goes without saying that testing and vaccinations are not mutually exclusive.

  • Johannes Müller says:

    She should be ashamed of herself!! Unnecessary risk for many people…

    • Anthony Sayer says:

      Wonderful comment. Absolutely hilarious.

    • Gustav Schmidt says:

      You Johannes… you are uninformed my friend. Do some research. Learn something. Pointing fingers and saying “shame” … we have seen this simpleton behaviour many, many times in history. Grow up. This is the real world. Nothing is black and white. Also, perhaps reading the post would be useful before commenting.

    • Ken says:

      I do believe it is a shame too. She’s conducting 100+ people and she’s not yet vaccinated. Despite the fact that she was eligible for vaccination. Shameful and irresponsible.
      Get your shots, folks.

      • Erica P says:

        I’m just waiting it out for 6 months to see how you are all doing after your immune systems are shot. Personally, I found the virus to be very mild. Almost no phlegm, dry cough, headache, lethargy for three days. My wife had a cough , and then was done with it. I’ve had far worse flu symptoms. Why are you so scared? Calm down. Stop watching so much TV.

        • La plus belle voix says:

          A good friend of mine died from not with Covid-19 at the age of 46.

        • BRUCEB says:

          I’m doing just fine 6 months after my 2nd shot.

          Not that that’s going to make any difference to anyone.

        • Emil says:

          Today’s lesson: you are not every person, and every person is not like you. You may have been fine. Over four million people died.
          You are not the world, and the world does not revolve around you.

          • Hayne says:

            Since the vast majority of people could have been helped with early treatment, I’ll ask again.
            What protocols does the CDC have for early treatment?

        • Couperin says:

          Good for you! Both my healthy parents ended up with severe pneumonia in both lungs, hospitalizations, remdesivir treatment, and months later now they are still fatigued and my mom is convinced her hair is falling out. And they were anti-vaxxers! Get your shot, folks.

        • psq says:

          I have known people died of Covid. SD has a list of musicians who have died from Covid. Graham Vicks was the latest. Are you saying that the list is a fake, because from your personal experience Covid can not kill?

        • PFmus says:

          sure and the couple million dead pepple aren’t real because you had a different experience. Get you head out of your own ass.

        • Ilio says:

          7 + months. No effects. In fact if you’ve had COVID 19, you should get a shot. It helps your immune system be almost bullet proof against the Delta variant.

        • Bill says:

          There are about 4 million people who are no longer able to describe their experiences with the virus.

        • Maria says:

          Yes, and one of my friends died ftom Covid, not just with it.

  • Betina Crystal says:

    What’s your point Norman? If you are going to shame someone, be a man about it. This is just an attention grabbing headline to start a squabble between your readers.

  • Anthony Sayer says:

    Good for her.

  • Planning to? What is stopping that from happening today?

    It takes weeks for the vaccine to work.

  • Gustavo says:

    Des Arztes zwingender Spritze sich zu unterwerfen ist des holden Menschen eine heilige Pflicht.

  • Jeff Cameron says:

    Vaccinated Nancy Pelosi and Biden aides just tested positive for covid, what’s the use of these injections? The CDC just released the latest vaccine related fatalities number through July 19: 12,313. Pay attention to that number. It’s up 6,000 (100%) in just 2 weeks. And zombies are still lining up to get the jab? In 1976 the swine flu vaccine program was halted after only 25 deaths, what are we doing?

    Anna Netrebko canceled all Met performances for the entire season, the word on the street is that the reason was the Met’s absurd vaccination policy. Does the Met expect to run a functioning and successful theater by demanding the audience, artists and staff to be injected with an untested, unapproved drug? Did the Met investigate the death of Met chorister Danrell Williams (God rest his should) who had a heart attack right after taking the second dose of the vaccine back in May? How many more deaths until we put an end to the insanity?

    • La plus belle voix says:

      I know someone who had a heart attack and was never vaccinated.

    • Mr. Knowitall says:

      The point is to reduce deaths. In the States 99.5 percent of recent deaths from covid are in unvaccinated people. The infected fleeing Texas Democrats and Polosi’s staff are exhibiting only mild symptoms. Unvaccinated people who catch covid have an approximately 2 percent chance of dying. Vaccinated people who catch covid have approximately a 0.02 percent chance of dying. The odds of vaccinated people catching covid are a fraction of that, meaning that the chance of vaccinated people dying from covid is a tiny fraction of 0.02 percent. The other reason to get vaccinated is to slow the spread of the virus to unvaccinated and the rare susceptible vaccinated people.

    • Marfisa says:

      Absurd misinformation, with figures taken out-of-context from the following site:

      If you are killed by a falling tree a week after being vaccinated, that has to be reported to the Vaccine Adverse Effects Reporting System.

      • Hayne says:

        VAERS is not good especially because of underreporting. Please show us the CDC site where we can get more accurate information.

    • Petros LInardos says:

      No scientists said the vaccines prevent infection or sickness. Vaccines prevent severe sickness and death.

    • Couperin says:

      Their symptoms are mild, I’m sure they’ll be fine. Get your shot.

    • Anonymous Bosch says:

      Can you please cite a source that Netrebko has cancelled all 2021/2022 Met performances?

      All I can find is that “Iphégenie en Taurde” (not exactly a box office draw) and the first performance of “Turandot” have been cancelled “to accommodate the necessary technical preparations” – nothing to due with the pandemic. A concert with Netrebko in the same time period is postponed, not cancelled.

      It is expected she will show up for the second run of “Turandot” in April/May 2022 (Christine Goerke has the initial run, starting in October 2021).

    • Jeff Cameron says:

      *God rest his soul.

    • Ilio says:

      No vaccine is 100% effective. Even if you are a breakthrough patient, the vaccine prevents you from getting so sick that you end up in the hospital. That’s why you get the vaccine.

    • Bill says:

      The points are:

      1) the percentage of people who are fully vaccinated who still get sick is very small. Hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated, so even a very small percentage of them getting sick works out to be more than just a handful of people.

      2) the people who do get sick for the most case have very mild infections, and do not end up in the hospital or the morgue. In the US, over 95% of the people who die now are unvaccinated.

      3) the people who are vaccinated have low viral loads if they do get sick, and do not pass it on as effectively as those who are not. They are of very little risk to other vaccinated people, but those without any immunity (haven’t had the vaccine or a strong infection already, or without a competent immune system) are still at considerable risk being exposed to anyone carrying the virus, vaccinated or not.

      There are NO vaccines for any disease which provide 100% immunity to everyone who gets them. The mRNA vaccines are spectacularly effective. By saying “what good are they?” you are saying that you don’t think any vaccine is any good, and that reveals you to be uninformed, to put it somewhat diplomatically.

  • TishaDoll says:

    In that covered, hot, cramped, unventilated orchestra pit, I, too, think this is asking for trouble

  • PK says:

    I am glad to see in the comments that more people are thinking with their heads rather than blindly following some experimental treatment agenda. I am not against vaccines but people should have a choice and not be judged. And I can’t understand why people are so afraid of being infected and not injected. The biggest danger of the coronavirus is the enhanced disease due to pathogenic priming that trigger autoimmune issues because of the proteins that the body expresses in response to the virus. You will get these either way through the vaccine or through the infection. The delta variance is a complete nonsense but it will take forever to explain. One of the most important thing is that the latest research from Peabody shows that people exposed to the virus naturally will develop antibodies that will reproduce in their bone marrow about 6 months after they go through the disease. I think it is ridiculous to tell someone to vaccinate or not or say you should vaccinate to protect others. Also, many people don’t think why “the science” is what it is today. In order to understand it, you have to do a bit of work and reading and understand how Carnegie and Rockefeller destroyed all other existing medical approches in the beginning of the last century and transformed the doctors’ curriculum to teach them to use the pharmaceutical products they have started selling. But no, it’s much easier to listen to CNN or read a page in the New Your Times and believe what you are fed by the media. It is a long conversation but I simply ask people not to blindly follow but do their own research and not just go with the hype. Maybe they will come to different conclusions than me and that’s ok but do the research instead of following what you are told. Oh and lastly, if you have time and are I retested please Google coronavirus patent and Sequoia Pharmaceuticals patents. There are two page tents granted in November, 2006. You will be amazed how much public information there is out there for you to make informative decisions. As if the conductor who didn’t vaccinate, she should not be pressured and judged to do it. She just has to follow alternative safety procedures which doesn’t seem to be a problem for her. We talk about diversity and inclusion when it comes to race, how about different opinions and beliefs?

    • La plus belle voix says:

      Then I think we should all get vaccinated but also need to be subsequently infected with the disease in a mild form.

    • Brettermeier says:

      “I am glad to see in the comments that more people are thinking with their heads”

      Let me translate: “I’m glad that people who don’t know what they are talking about are spreading misinformation here.”

      I stopped reading there.

      I already got my share of “thinking people” from a hairstylist today.

      Are you a hairstylist, by any chance?

      • LK says:

        Nope, musician. And you? It’s interesting how you don’t read the rest conveniently… what do you think about the fact that the spike protein was patented in 2006, the enhanced decease due to pathogenic priming, why the science is what it is today…? I don’t expect an answer, much easier to just dismiss the comment and mock me…and now I will cry in my sleep for the next few months I did however read a few hundred books, researches with point of views from both camps and in my opinion there are much better alternatives to be healthy. Diet is a starting point, no meat, no dairy. Why the CDC didn’t impose ban on meat and dairy products, sugars, alcohol etc.?They are contributing to the viral spread as they suppress the immune system, no? Nah, it is easier to say that we will inject ourselves and be safe. There is a magic pill for everything. Not many people have the discipline to remain healthy. I do think masks are a must even after vaccination. Anyway, good luck with your hair

        • Brettermeier says:

          “Nope, musician. And you?”

          I have some academic degrees (erm, the real ones) in this and that. Science, and math, and stuff, you may have heard of it.

          So you don’t have any experience in modelling scenarios, calculating risks, statistics, etc.? Or anything science related? Then maybe you should just STFU and do things YOU are good at (no mean math involved! YAY!) Because I get the feeling that nobody told you the truth about your knowledge in the matter.

          Watching a youtube video does NOT make you a disease expert. Reading a (fringe) blog does NOT make you a disease expert.

          BTW., I stopped reading after that “Nope, musician. And you?”, because why would I be interested in your UNQUALIFIED OPINION in health matters you try to present as facts? You’re so weird.

          See ya.

          • PK says:

            C’mon my friend can’t get angry just because someone thinks differently than you. We can agree to disagree, no need to curse here or tell me to “STFU”…:)) Very intelligent by the way, shows clearly that you are smarter than me. And it’s sad to think that one is defined by their profession. I’m musician but this doesn’t mean that I can’t be “good at” or interested in more than music. I read scientific journals, and I do study math mostly related to risk variants and divinations for derivatives in the stock market. Can’t say I’m good at it lol but I am expanding my views of the world and learning something new that can help me evolve. By the way, you may not know this but music was a mathematical discipline in Ancient Greece. Just FYI;) I don’t watch YouTube on the vaccine matters because it is full of idiot anti-vaxers who don’t know what they are talking about. I feel we might at least agree in that. I read books and I am open to all opinions but I also have mine. The facts that you are not, limits you. I believe that what I think is true and that’s it!! Seriously?! I mean there was a doctor in the beginning of the last century who was saying that a pack of cigarets a day is actually good for you. There were cocaine toothache drops for kids in 1894. Do we still think these statements are true because it’s science or someone “scientific” made them? We can’t evolve with limited mindset. I recommend that you try to read one book with the opposite opinion of yours. You might disagree but will expand your views at least and you can start getting out of your fixed mindset. See ya 😉

          • Trio says:

            Attacking others credibility as a way to win arguments is the refuge of the stupid.

    • Le Křenek du jour says:

      > “We talk about diversity and inclusion when it comes to race, how about different opinions and beliefs?”

      Opinions and beliefs, no matter how firmly held or loudly touted, are not facts.
      Not even ‘alternative’ facts.

      “First, get your facts straight. Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. Second, decide to live with the facts. Third, resolve to surmount them. Because, fourth, what is at stake is our capacity to govern.”
      ——Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Jan. 18, 1983, The Washington Post.

      • PK says:

        Agreed, but people get their facts straight from the media unfortunately. They won’t spend time researching themselves because let’s be honest, we are busy and it’s easier to form a “microwaved” opinion.

      • Hayne says:

        From the National Academy of Science:
        “Science has progressed through a uniquely productive marriage of human creativity and hard-nosed skepticism, of openness to new scientific contributions and persistent questioning of those contributions and the existing scientific consensus.”
        So why all the censorship of opposing scientists and doctors?
        ” …organized and searching skepticism as well as an OPENESS to new ideas are essential to guard against the intrusion of dogma or collective bias into scientific results.”

        Again, doesn’t the censorship, threats and smearing of opposing doctors and scientists bother you in the least? Why not?

    • Couperin says:

      Anyone who “does their own research” and looks at the scientific data can see that the vaccines work. Overwhelmingly.

      • PK says:

        I don’t say they don’t work, I would however doubt the overwhelmingly part. And I think there are much better ways to protect yourself but that’s just my opinion. Also, the problem is that we are all different and something that works for one person won’t work for another…it’s ridiculous to generalize and say vaccines save lives, well how about the percentage of people who were vaccine injured. Let’s say, this conductor is forced to vaccinate and then she gets injured from the vaccine. Would Bayreuth pay her medical bills and insure her financially for the rest of her life? No employer should ever be allowed require employees to vaccinate.

        • Saxon says:

          PK writes: “I think there are much better ways to protect yourself [than the vaccine] but that’s just my opinion”

          This is just…weird.

          Sure, healthy people who aren’t fat and eat lots of vegetables are less likely to get seriously ill. But the vaccine will reduce their chances of getting sick by even more.

      • Hayne says:

        You do know that the “vaccinated” people are the experiment happening in real time. They are the test subjects and we’ll see how well it works.

    • Richard Bloesch says:

      PK should listen to Fauci instead of following these dangerous alternative ideas. Just get vaccinated, for heaven’s sake

      • PK says:

        I am familiar with Dr. Faucci’s work but I have to admit not as much as I would like to . Do you know his attempts the the mRNA vaccine for HIV patientsin 2018? Anyway, that’s a classical music platform, we turned it into a vaccine discussion lol

    • Geoff Radnor says:

      Not opinions or beliefs, it is only science.

      • PK says:

        Ummm, in order to understand how this particular science was formed, I highly recommend a great book about the birth of medicine as we know it today. It’s a long read but since we are talking facts I am sure you can spend the time: The Social Transformation of American Medicine: The Rise of a Sovereign Profession and the Making of a Vast Industry by Paul Starr. Most health management majors have to read it as part of their curriculum and I honestly find it objective and very good. Enjoy:)

      • Hayne says:

        Then why all the censorship, smearing and threats of brilliant doctors and scientists who disagree?

  • GDPR says:

    What happened to the idea that medical records are “sensitive personal data” that are nobody else’s business. In other words, “don’t ask, don’t tell”. Please could we all refrain from prying into other people’s medical records, regardless of our own views/decisions on this or any other medical issue.

  • Fred Funk says:

    She’ll be intubated within the next 21 days. You can’t fix, scare stupid. But there’s duct tape to muffle the noise.

  • Tom Phillips says:

    So many morons from that part of the world (I’m looking at you, Anna Netrebko). Much like their brethren (and “sistren”) in South Brooklyn and similar regions.

  • Hans-Dieter Glaubke says:

    Discussions, rationalizations for not being vaccinated are and should be considered irrational and completely invalid.

  • PFmus says:

    The sudden and unusual number of ‘votes’ here for anti-covid attitudes mirror other sites where Russian trolls desperately try to get the West to commit suicide. Sock puppets aren’t real views, Norm. Turn’em off.

  • Gustavo says:


    Wagner-tubas emerged around 1870 – long after Holländer.

  • Maria says:

    Then get on and get doubled jabbed ASAP, or Bayreuth arrange it. ‘I plan to!’ Don’t see a plan.

  • LoveMusic says:

    what a crazy sick world judging and discriminating people based on vaccination status (after it recently became highly unacceptable to do this based on race, sexual orientation, gender or religion)
    I have the feeling all the potential hate for other humans is now channeled into corona and climate related topics.

    • Gustavo says:

      Yes, particularly because the majority of humans worldwide are simply not in a position to be able to chose among 4-5 different products and report their acquired immune capacity via the social media.

      The initial impatience to be vaccinated is now followed by a phase of vaccination pride – post-colonial triumph of the western industrialised world that is causing climate change.

  • Player says:

    The first woman almost to conduct a festival performance.

    What man will be ready to step forward and take up her burden before opening night?

    I imagine Christian Thielemann will have taken the score down from the shelf!

  • Just another reader says:

    I can’t understand why she had to tell the NY Times that she isn’t vaccinated. Sometimes it is better not to say anything.

  • Ich bin ein anderer als ich war! says:

    Love the t-shirt, no matter what you think of her Covid status- not going to Bayreuth anytime soon, though!

  • piston1 says:

    So let’s get this straight: she’s going to work strenuously in what is famously a COVERED orchestral pit, un-vaccinated, with about 100 other people — the equivalent of getting onto a crowded London bus. But, because she’s something other than a white, male conductor, it’s all good. The New York Times has gone insane.