German flag is banned by German concert hall
mainThe German pop singer Heino is in conflict with the Düsseldorf Tonhalle after its director refused to advertise his concert with violinist Yuri Revich under the title ‘Heino goes Klassik – ein deutscher Liederabend.’
Heino was pictured standing in front of a German flag.
The Tonhalle’s director banned the poster as nationalistic. Düsseldorf’s mayor has now stepped in. This could be a painful election issue.
The flag?
I don’t think so.
There is something here that we are not being told.
I bet the problem is that Mr. Heino is well known in Germany as a blood-thirsty cannibal.
That would explain it.
OMG, OMG, OMG. A bloodthirsty cannibal? well known? You mean in human flesh gourmet circles?
Isn‘t the correct specification for someone bloodthirsty a ‚Vampire‘?
Should Düsseldorf hang garlic cloves inside the Tonhalle?
And is Brahms „ Ein Deutsches Requiem“ now also banned?
But it IS nationalistic. People could suspect that Mr Heino is a German.
You are on to something Borstlap.
Ever since the “Great Embarrassment” of 1325 Germans hate Germans.
But it gets exponentially worse if you are a cannibal.
HEINOUS. As in degrading the classic song genre by diluting it through crossover.
Yes.
You must never play the Classic Song in a minivan.
oh armes Deutschland ……
Seems the US isn’t alone with silly directors.
Schwanengesang
The notion that this “could be a painful election issue” had me literally laughing. I’m sorry, but your expertise in music beats your expertise in German politics by leaps and bounds. This is a non-issue. And while Heino has his followers, he has not the power to become an issue himself.
I googled him and see that every five years there is some controversy about him when he promotes a new album. He even quotes Hitler saying he is “still as hard as steel, as tough as leather and as nimble as a greyhound”. Looks like any publicity is good publicity for him.
Painful election issue indeed. Would this be the first time Germans are apologetic towards their flag and nationality right up their own alley (?!?)
– Now, how might the election turn out?…
Well, no … sadly, this is incorrect information.
The problem has been solved yesterday already, amicably as it seems:
https://www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/rheinland/streit-plakate-heino-100.amp
(Also, the “German flag” was never “banned” at the Tonhalle.
The phrase ‘deutscher Liederabend’ was being argued over – Heino isn’t a ‘Lied singer’ as the term would be understood by the audience of a mainly classical venue)
But…but…but…! This is not sensational and if we know actual facts we cannot imply that people are being mean to flags! And people who like flags! Also, cancel culture! And flags!
Schwarz-braun ist die Haselnuss…
The reverse happened to Stefan Mickisch at Wahnfried.
Weil’s so schön ist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGnr032bv3g
May I please correct: It is not about the flag. It is about the title “ein deutscher Liederabend” which musicologically is not correct, because it doesn’t describe a content but a form which does not exist. Due to the fact the singer is not rarely mentioned in right winged contexts we tried to protect him by asking for a change of the title. He refused and went medial…
What’s wrong with “Ein deutscher Liederabend”?
It’s almost like the Straussian “Eine Alpensinfonie” or “Ein Heldenleben”.
These titles are only suggestions – understatements – not absolut.
The aural version of a schlager schlock cheese left in the sun…MeyerBIER BIER BIER….and Songs Mein Liebe Mutter taught me.
Years ago, Carnegie Hall fetted some sort of German Music Festival. The fact that the German flag was flying high above Carnegie really bothered me and a letter I wrote in this regards was published in The New York Times:
Helen Kamioner November 4, 2007 · 1:45 am
Flying the German flag over Carnegie Hall is an insult to humanity. 69 years ago Nazi thugs and terrorists burned Germany’s synagogues which was the beginning of the end of European Jewry. I support building bridges, but it is dangerous to forget the past. Please tell them to take down the flag. It is a painful symbol to the holocaust survivors living in New York and to me as the daughter of holocaust survivors whose relatives were murdered in Auschwitz and Chelmno, death camps created and administered by the German people.
So you think the current flag is the Nazi flag, and they still gas people in Germany??
Oh another thing:
Do you also avoid cutlery, because some people were stabbed with knives?
it’s enough that German’s did gas people, and it was not a once upon a time fairytale.
“it’s enough that German’s did gas people, and it was not a once upon a time fairytale.”
True. But neither my generation nor that of my parents gassed anyone. They weren’t even born yet. And my grandparents were from Poland (that’s the country “I” invaded) (and didn’t gas anyone either).
So, as a German, I kindly ask you not to throw everyone with a German passport under the Nazi bus. I accept the burden of historical responsibility (because of my passport), but I reject that clan custody thinking you are using here. That’s what got us here in the first place.
I’d be concerned, too, with a swastika flag on the Carnegie Hall. Or anywhere, for that matter.
The German flag has no swastika on it. And it hasn’t for a long time. In fact, the last swastika I saw was on TV when they covered a Trump rally. And I’m pretty sure that they weren’t Germans.
https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-bergen-belsen-76-years-later-20210415-ps443zcchbed5ocrjqz6asjux4-story.html?fbclid=IwAR2wk6WtITovMR2reSz-F2noS7XJQgxiF2Xp0v9ZfEoq7N8mpP7o8d4omG0
This makes as much sense as native Americans calling you, my dear Helene, a mass murderer.
Following YOUR logic, you are. How does that make you feel?
FYI my dear Brettermeier, I was born in Munich in 1950 to Polish Jewish Holocaust survivors. However your point about the majority of early US Western settlers being responsible for the native American way of life is well taken. However, while I am a naturalized American citizen by my parents, I don’t believe we ever considered ourselves Americans. Got the picture? In fact, we always behaved as polite guests of our host country…polite refugees, so your analogy is totally misguided in MY CASE. As far as my American neighbors are concerned, I am quite sure they did not set up extermination camps complete with gas chambers and crematoriums as the German race did….and willingly. How does that make you feel?
“As far as my American neighbors are concerned, I am quite sure they did not set up extermination camps complete with gas chambers and crematoriums as the German race did”
In Germany, we would call that “auf dem rechten Auge blind”, “blind on the right eye”:
I guess these tiki torch-carrying “Jews will not replace us!” chanting guys and the “Camp Auschwitz – Staff” models are all conveniently Germans. Or of the “German race”, newly introduced in your latest post. They can’t be Nazis if they don’t have a German passport, right? Sorry, but I don’t believe you’re that naive.
“However your point about the majority of early US Western settlers being responsible for the Native American way of life is well taken. However, while I am a naturalized American citizen by my parents, I don’t believe we ever considered ourselves Americans. Got the picture? ”
You’re saying that as an American, you “believe” that maybe you don’t “consider” yourself American. Not sure what to say here other than: Erm. No, that picture was lost in transport.
To sum it up:
German flag: bad, because all Germans are Nazis
US flag: good, because you don’t consider yourself maybe or maybe not American and that’s why you are somehow not guilty of mass murdering native Americans while today Germans are guilty of mass murder even if not born yet because the same rules don’t apply here and/or for others because oh look, a squirrel!
That’s some crazy logic. Good luck with that.
“Men who as boys felt neglected by their dads often remain distant from their children. The sins of fathers are passed on to children, often through the dynamic of self-protection. It hurts to be neglected, and it creates questions about our value to others. So to avoid feeling the sting of further rejection, we refuse to give that part of ourselves we fear might once again be received with indifference.” ~ Larry Crabb
Yes Helene Kamioner!
Brettermeier thinks that you’re American. Or German. Or whatever.
How misguided and ignorant.
His own country has brainwashed him into believing that “you are, what your passport says you are”.
Hahahahaha. (Oh and: poor Germany. Hahaha)
“Brettermeier thinks that you’re American.”
Yes. Because I know how links work (spoiler: You click on them). I know, misguided and stuff. How could I dare and click on that link our dear Helene provided and read the “About Helene” section. Naughty cheating Brettermeier! 😀
@Helene: I didn’t read your the, because it was a quote and thus not an answer (again) to my question(s). But I don’t think I’ll ever get one so I pretty much lost interest in this one-sided discussion. Love, xoxoxo
I’d be most happy to answer all your questions and comments, however bloed they may be. Feel free to contact me privately.
“I’d be most happy to answer all your questions and comments, however bloed they may be. Feel free to contact me privately.”
Yes, I’m sure you will answer them as happily as you answered them before. You had your chance. Stop trolling.
The lion does not roar over a quantity of straw , but … to say , take this answer , and do not overwhelm us with thy silly questions
Haha indeed.
Today’s Germany calls the dishing out of German passports (and residence permits) to foreigners from Africa and Muslim countries….
“Welcoming culture”.
Hahahaha.
Helene Kamioner: “we always behaved as polite guests of our host country”
Thanks for that statement Helene.
You see, Germans are so brainwashed, that they would never ever dare say a jew’s “host country”; fearing it to be loathsome hating antisemitism.
Isn’t that correct Brettermeier?
“Thanks for that statement Helene.”
Meaning, they can be kicked out if they overstayed their welcome. Isn’t that nice.
“Isn’t that correct Brettermeier?”
Yes, it isn’t correct. 😉
Generally on these pages, Ms. Kamioner, you make sensible posts, but not this time. The flag over Carnegie Hall in 2007 was NOT black, white, and red. That is all the matters.
Did you object to the entire festival or just the flag?
So you really think everyone living in Nazi-Germany had their hand eagerly on the gas tap.
Helene Kamioner shudder’s when seeing the modern German flag.
Typical. It’s called gaslighting.
“Gaslighting is a form of psychological abuse where a person or group makes someone question their sanity, perception of reality, or memories”
Stop being brainwashed, and spreading it. Start thinking critically, ok.
https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-bergen-belsen-76-years-later-20210415-ps443zcchbed5ocrjqz6asjux4-story.html?fbclid=IwAR2wk6WtITovMR2reSz-F2noS7XJQgxiF2Xp0v9ZfEoq7N8mpP7o8d4omG0
Please stop with this damn flag nonsense (black, white, and red is a completely legitimate historic flag, that is not banned in today’s modern Germany. Why not? Because it’s history is not that of the Gas-chamber inferno holocaust mayhem. By the way, no flag’s history is that; unless perhaps your name is Helene K. who has problems even with today’s German flag: completely ridiculous.)
That’s enough?
There are many many many things that are “enough”.
https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-bergen-belsen-76-years-later-20210415-ps443zcchbed5ocrjqz6asjux4-story.html?fbclid=IwAR2wk6WtITovMR2reSz-F2noS7XJQgxiF2Xp0v9ZfEoq7N8mpP7o8d4omG0
I find your ignorance and prejudice rather offensive.
The current German flag dates back to the 19th century when flying it could result in arrest. It was used by those who hoped for a Germany that was liberal, and democracratic. When democracy has been overthrown in Germany, these colours, and the flag, were replaced. It is entirely appropriate for this flag to be flown, and some distant ancestor and your ignorant feelings don’t change the appropriateness of this flag.
here’s to hoping you and your remote ancestors are equally delighted when the Flag of Israel flies over Bayreuth.
Oh come on.
The jews and synagogues and the flag of Isreal are all very much present in today’s Germany.
Jews should have a capital J and you also misspelled Israel. Please specify 3 places in which Jews and and the Israeli flag are present in “today’s” Germany.
My dear Helene,
one person who could guide you around Jewish aspects of Germany would be Yehuda Teichtal.
Anyway…
So you’d probably agree that the Brandenburger Tor in Berlin, is pretty much symbolic of Germany!
Well in solidarity with Isreal, the capital city of Germany decided to illuminate the whole Brandenburger Tor with the Flag of Israel.
Have a look at the photos on these pages:
https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/nach-terror-in-jerusalem-israel-flagge-strahlt-am-brandenburger-tor/19230254.html
https://www.dreamstime.com/bremen-germany-israeli-flag-flying-historic-city-hall-honor-first-visit-israel-s-ambassador-to-roland-statue-image125465212
https://www.timesofisrael.com/europes-jews-prepare-public-hanukkah-events-to-drive-out-darkness/
https://awbaader.com/2020/03/01/ze-germans-are-crazy/
https://www.deutschlandfunk.de/deutsch-israelische-beziehungen-gauck-empfaengt-israels.2852.de.html?dram:article_id=319517
https://www.esslinger-zeitung.de/inhalt.bundestag-gedenkt-der-opfer-kein-heilsames-schweigen-ueber-auschwitz.9ed3c581-84d8-4c27-ac70-947717439a17.html
Just a few organizations:
http://chabad.de/
https://www.chabadberlin.de/
https://www.bnaibritheurope.org/
http://www.r-w-loge.de/
https://www.zentralratderjuden.de/
Events:
https://www.israeltag-berlin.de/
https://www.meetajew.de/
https://www.jewrovision.de/
https://mitzvah-day.de/
Boris Palmer, the mayor of Tübingen, is openly Jewish.
Here’s Merkel with Jews:
https://www.abendzeitung-muenchen.de/muenchen/angela-merkel-steht-an-der-seite-der-juden-art-369031
Dear Mrs. Goldberg, You forgot WIZO.
Correct. The current German flag is the symbol of the free, democratic and modern Germany. It is very embarrassing to see it being related to its opposite.
“German pop singer”
Well… While you may translate Schlager into pop, there’s a good chance that you cannot translate pop into Schlager. Like in this case.
In other words: The translation is not bijective.
What was the German flag during ww2?
Following the appointment of Adolf Hitler as Chancellor in 1933, the flag was adopted as the one of the nation’s dual national flags, the other being the black-white-red horizontal tricolour of the German Empire.
Oh come on Helene.
black-white-red
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Flag of the North German Confederation (1867–1871) and the German Empire (1871–1918). In use at the beginning of the Weimar Republic (1918–1919), and by the foreign services (1922–1933).
National flag of Germany (1933–1935), co-official with the swastika flag.
“On 15 September 1935, one year after the death of Reich President Paul von Hindenburg and Hitler’s elevation to the position of Führer, the dual flag arrangement was ended, with the exclusive use of the Nazi flag as the national flag of Germany.”
Say it Helene: “swastika” Nazi flag.
“What was the German flag during ww2?”
“Following the appointment of Adolf Hitler as Chancellor in 1933, the flag was adopted as the one of the nation’s dual national flags, the other being the black-white-red horizontal tricolour of the German Empire.”
Okay, you managed to read this far. Great! Let’s read a little bit further:
“One year after the death of President Hindenburg in 1934, this arrangement ended. Hitler banned usage of the Bismarck-tricolour, labelling it as “reactionary”, and made his party flag the sole national flag of Germany in 1935, which it remained until the end of World War II and the fall of the Third Reich. ”
You’re welcome!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Nazi_Germany
But you already knew this since this is where you copied the first paragraph. Troll.
bottom line, whether or not I am a troll or you are a bloede Kuh, for me the German flag with or without a Swastika will always be associated with crimes against humanity, and I will fight to my last breath to hinder any form of promotion. History can not be white washed by denial.
“bloede Kuh”
Ah, we’re insulting now. As I said: Love, xoxoxo
Oh jolly good.
You know what, Brettermeier…
even though I don’t agree with some things that Helene is saying here; I very much respect her views and accept them as hers.
You unfortunately cannot fit Helene’s views into your world view; thus you start to call her a troll.
Ridiculous really. You really do still need to learn a lot about Jews.
Oh and by the way:
German political-correctness, self-eradicating politics and highly visible political moves to counter antisemitism; will NOT (I repeat: NOT) help you understand Jews.
You’re wobbling along on very thin ice and look quite foolish doing so, if I may say so.
Thank you. YOU took the words right out of my heart, mind and mouth. Would love to meet you in person if you are ever in NY.
Thank you. But do consider, that I will probably never hinder any form of promotion of the current German flag; as you have stated you would do (and that you would even fight for!).
To me it’s just a flag, and most certainly not the Nazi flag. (Yes, I do know how to differentiate a swastika from black-red-gold.)
Look at Germany: it’s self-destructing already. But not just Germany. England, France etc. It’s all the same.
And I don’t like it one bit.
I very strongly oppose the demise of culture and identity of ethnic, autochthonous populations.
Which means that I strongly oppose any internationalist left, if their aim is blatantly for the demise of the things I mentioned above – things that I value.
…I not sure, if you would still like meeting me…
I was for 9 years the Director of North American PR for the Bayerische Staatsoper. Do you like classical music, especially opera?
Ah but do consider that when I say culture and identity of ethic, autochthonous populations; I most certainly am not speaking about crude, inflexible, stipulated, mandatory patriotism.
No. That kind of simplistic preoccupation with outer absolutes is something I do not really like: But it is unfortunately omnipresent in the 20th century (and today); but of course with a few exceptions and they don’t necessarily have it easy…
Ridiculous. As if this was a N*zi flaag. XDDDD