Wife of vaccine fatality speaks out
mainLa Reppublica has published a statement from Simona Riussi, wife of the clarinetist Sandro Tognatti, who died of an unknown cause hours after receiving the Astra-Zeneca vaccine.
She said: ‘My husband believed in the vaccine and we must continue to believe in it because it is the only way that can free us from this situation.’
“Believe in vaccine”? There are plenty of deaths happing after receiving this vaccine, and each time we are told that the “cause of death is unknown”, “believe in vaccine” etc. Most people having COVID-19 don’t even develop any symptoms so we don’t even know statistics on how deadly it is, given that absolute majority of people have never been tested. But we see the pattern with vaccines though, and we are told to “believe”.
If vaccine is something we have to “believe in”, why not to also believe in Flat Earth, chemtrails etc.? Why in one case believing is what we have to do and in other cases people who believe are labeled as “conspiracy theorists”? I’m not saying that Earth is flat – I don’t support these conspiracies, but why so different approaches?
Plenty of deaths? Please be specific; in the US ~ 50 million people have received at least 1 dose of the Pfizer/Moderna vaccine and ~ 37 million have been fully vaccinated and there have been 0 deaths. The completed J&J vaccine trial of ~ 30,000 individuals showed 0 deaths. Belief is a term that a grieving widow used not an immunologist, not a public health expert, and not a regulatory agency charged with evaluating the results of GCPrun clinical trials said. Stop trying to convince people that vaccines are anything but the best way to eradicate COVID-19.
Norway investigates 23 deaths after vaccination: https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149
15 deaths reported by DW (and separately 30 trombolic events): https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-no-links-found-between-vaccination-and-deaths/a-56458746
Center for Desease Control and Prevention mentions 1637 deaths after receiving COVID-19 vaccines: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
The follow-up research is usually done by labs having conflict of interests. Or even by jabs producers. For example, blood clots presumably caused by AstraZeneca vaccine is investigated by AstraZeneca itself: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56397592
Still, all of this doesn’t say that COVID-19 vaccines are worse than any other vaccines or that they are unsafe, given that millions of people are being vaccinated. What I am arguing is that they at not 100% safe and people who claim otherwise are spreading misinformation. Moreover, this misinformation, calls to “believe” and denials of calls for proper research and investigation is creating a false impression that all vaccines are equally good and can safely be used. This is not the case.
It seems that the number of blood cloth deaths presumably caused by the vaccine are statistically the same as in unvaccinated populations, i.e. before covid it was the same. So it can simply be an entirely independent phenomenon which is related to vaccination in the sense of time span correlation, and it may not be causal.
I’m not sure how one can measure blood cloths deaths rates after vaccination and in not vaccinated population. I understand comparison to people who recently had flu, gave birth, took specific drugs or similar. But how is it possible to compare death rate followed by a specific event (vaccination in this case) to death rate in general population?
If it is a completely independent event, where is comparable statistics for other vaccines?
Yes, it may be, but evidence for that is not provided.
Update; as of this morning, ~ 110 million doses of vaccine have been administered in the US with 0 fatalities. I have not seen data on SAE’s but I’m sure if there were significant numbers the Biden administration led by Dr. Fauci would report them promptly.
I’ve provided above the link to official data from CDC, where a number of 1,637 deaths is given.
My sympathy and condolences go to Simona Riussi. Such courage too, to speak in favour of vaccination.
The average lifespan in developed countries is about 30,000 days give or take. In a population of 92 million one would typically therefore expect around 30,000 deaths per day. Therefore, 1,637 reported within hours or days of a vaccine dose doesn’t seem surprising, especially given that most of the recipients have been elderly or vulnerable. These sorts of figures seem extremely unlikely to be connected with the vaccine in significant numbers.
If you actually read the articles that you reference, you’ll see that DW states:
“In each case, there’s more to the story than meets the eye. DW reviewed several cases in Austria, South Korea, Germany, Spain, the United States, Norway, Belgium, and Peru, finding that in most cases experts from multiple health authorities have not found causal links between the vaccination and deaths.”
And CDC:
“Over 92 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through March 8, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 1,637 reports of death (0.0018%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths.”
You are conflating two different meanings of the word belief – faith without evidence as in many religions, and belief based on evidence, which is how science works.
“revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths” is not good enough.
1. If the cause is unrelated to vaccination, what is the cause? Were these people hit by a bus or shot by the police?
2. Where are publicly available publication? What was the quality of this examination?
3. Who was doing the review, can public be sure that it was unbiased? If you think that research are generally good and non-biased, I recommend you checking https://retractionwatch.com/ and familiarise yourself with scientific realities.
How come the conclusion of the CDC that there was no evidence of vaccination contributed to deaths is not good enough for you, yet the figure that they give, 1637 deaths, is good enough?
Because 1637 is data, “no evidence” is judgement.
Neowiser,
“You are conflating two different meanings of the word belief-faith without evidence as in many religions…”
How about belief in big pharma corrupted state health organizations? That is a religion, yes?
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/03/gary-g-kohls/why-you-cant-trust-the-fda-the-who-the-cdc-the-aap-merck-glaxosmithkline-sanofi-or-pfizer/
H, you need to include the WHO and the government of Canada in your imagined massive conspiracy because the former says there is nothing to deaths & administration of the vaccine and the latter has approved the use of the A-Z version. Nonetheless, keep up your efforts to undermine public health and rake in whatever you receive from like-minded entities. 🙂
WHO receives around 50% of its budget from big pharma and foundations such as the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
Nothing to see here.
Canadian government? How about Canadian doctors?
https://www.libertycoalitioncanada.com/post/press-release-canadian-doctors-speaking-out
This unquestioning faith and belief in governments after all their continued incompetence and corruption is astounding to me.
You’ve earned another 2 bitcoin. Well done!
H, sorry I neglected to add that you would have received 4 bitcoin but you forgot to include George Soros and the Clinton Foundation in your latest screed. 🙂
Thanks for the excellent refutation:)
How can anyone vote Thumbs Down on this accurate, thoughtful comment? Roman is correct: these vaccines are not 100% safe and people have died from them. What’s to disagree with? I don’t get it…
That no causal link has been established between vaccines and deaths.
Roman – I think you need to explain what you mean by “…blood clots presumably caused by AstraZeneca vaccine…”. Where do you get that presumption from? Because at present, there appears to be zero reason to presume any such thing, so to suggest otherwise without basis is dumbfoundingly irresponsible.
> “After new reports of thromboses of the cerebral veins in connection with the vaccination in Germany and Europe, the PEI considers further investigations to be necessary,” said the German health ministry, referring to a recommendation by the country’s vaccine authority, the Paul Ehrlich Institute.
https://www.thelocal.de/20210315/germany-suspends-use-of-astrazeneca-vaccine-over-blood-clot-concerns/
Besides Germany vaccination by AstraZeneca is currently halted by at least Norway, Netherlands, Italy, France, Denmark, Bulgaria, Ireland. Many more countries have never approved this vaccine in the first place for different reasons.
But if true, the russian vaccin logically may have the same problem since it is quite a similar vaccin technologicaly; are there reports from Rusia about similar effects?
I don’t think that Russia cares too much about reporting such cases.
Amos, your statement about no deaths in the US is not true. There are much better, safer and CHEAPER was to deal with covid. This goes against the narrative, I know.
Hayne, you should find a better way to receive support from the disinformation crowd than spreading lies about more efficacious ways to combat COVID. If you want to try UV-light or bleach that is your right but I’d urge you to rely on the results of double-blind clinical trials carried out by physicians and public health experts who are not dependent on bitcoin payoffs from fascist governments.
Liar- just lost Dr. Gregory Michael, 56, an OB-GYN at Mount Sinai Medical Center in Miami Beach.
To clarify a bit on my comment. Phrase “believe in vaccine” means that such cases should not be reported as caused by vaccine, they should not be investigated and they should not be taken as decision factors over policies that governments choose. This is not how science is done and approach of believing is potentially disastrous.
“Roman,” how’s the weather in Krasnogorsk?
Dont doubt yourself…our minds think as one…I concur totally.
A misleading and cynical post designed to get people (including silly me) riled. There’s a surprise!
It’s like saying “Believe in cars as they are the only possibility to get from A to B.” just after having lost someone who got run over by a bus.
Life is dangerous; you are nowhere safe; and then: most accidents happen in bed.
Too much statistics are bandied about without giving attention to the maxim of statistics:
correlation does not mean causation.
Your pithy throwaway line “most accidents happens in bed” is actually a tad weak. Most people actually die in bed!
Warning- never go near a bed!
Death belongs to life.
It is the Judeo-Christian belief in eternal life that has led to an inflated anthropocentric view of diseases and a completely distorted weighting of individual risks.
While car accidents are culturally accepted (because economic and status interests prevail), infectious diseases like COVID-19 (and it’s mutant variants) are viewed as nature’s attack on mankind (“Nous sommes en guerre!”…and so on).
This “attack” is not accepted by western cultures, because according to the Bible man stands above nature and is not part of it.
Now if you attempt to take an objective, scientific view of the factors influencing human longevity you are categorised as a (health) system critic, a social Darwinist, a Corona-denier or even an Anti-Christ.
I do wish you would stop spouting this sort of ill-informed nonsense
OK – your evidence to prove that it is ill-informed nonsense, please!
First, it is impossible to “prove” a negative. Second, the term of logic you are grasping for is a syllogism. In the case of clots and A-Z vaccine it is a faulty syllogism.
Even in the worst case — that is, assuming that all 1637 deaths in the CDC report did, in fact, relate to the vaccine — its fatality rate of 0.0018% is less than one thousandth of the current COVID case fatality rate of 2.2% (2.6 million deaths out of 120 million reported cases as of yesterday). It will be objected that the actual infection rate may be much higher than the reported case number, which is true. But the actual case fatality rate if 100% of the earth’s population (that is, 7674 million people!) were infected would still be 0.035%, or nearly twenty times the worst-case vaccination-related death rate.
I choose (chose) the vaccine based not on “belief”, but on data.
There are several problems with these numbers.
1. Mortality rate is not constant over time. With improvements in treatment mortality drops. As of October 2020, WHO estimated mortality as 0.9-1.0% : https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/99/1/20-265892/en/ – I expect that right now mortality is much lower. It doesn’t change your general conclusion, just a correction.
2. Side effects from vaccine (not only death is concern) is reported only in cases when they appear in the next couple of weeks. It is unknown what could be long-term effects and how it can change life expectancy of those vaccinated. It is a less of concern for older people, but I see even people in their twenties are lining up for vaccination. For them risks are unknown and it is irresponsible to persuade them otherwise.
3. Deaths from COVID-19 are generally over-reported. I am basing this on data from UK’s Office for National Statistics: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/datasets/deathsduetocovid19comparedwithdeathsfrominfluenzaandpneumonia – two first tabs of the spreadsheet are of interest here (data for a period of 2020):
13,619 cases of Pneumonia was reported as a cause of death, while in 69,781 cases Pneumonia was just mentioned in the death certificate. At the same time 48,168 deaths were reported as caused by COVID, while only in 52,327 it was mentioned in death certificate.
From these numbers I conclude that if you have COVID, then it is almost always considered as a cause of death, while for Pneumonia it is not. At least it is clear from numbers that death rates are not so different. It is interested to note though that Pneumonia is caused by a regular flu, and while flu vaccinations are generally available, safe and well-tested, relatively few people are being vaccinated.
Once again, I am not saying that COVID vaccines are inherently evil and no-one should use them (if I were in a risk group, I would use them myself), but I cannot agree with religious beliefs that the vaccine is perfectly safe and solve any problem for all groups of people. This is just not true.
I guess a person has to decide they’re going to “believe” the data…
There’s no need to ever get off that hamster-wheel, if you don’t want to.
Musicians should not pretend to be doctors and doctors should not pretend to be musicians. Then we can all sleep at night.
Does that go for the tech companies who suppress free speech of doctors and scientists who disagree with the official narrative? They’re also not doctors:)
Some incredibly stupid comments on here! This makes more sense to me …” …when a healthy man or woman, especially younger adults, exhibit symptoms and then drop dead suddenly after getting a COVID-19 shot, it raises many legitimate questions. To date, legitimate questions are being automatically dismissed by doctors and public health officials as not relevant…”
https://thevaccinereaction.org/2021/03/healthy-mom-39-in-utah-dies-of-organ-failure-four-days-after-moderna-covid-vaccination/ – You sheep can give me as many thumbs down as you wish, the truth will eventually come out!!
Please note – the gentleman died from an unknown cause. For goodness sake wait until there is any causal link to the vaccine before everyone starts!
It’s like the corelation between White Stork appearance and human birth rates in Germany.
P.S. In the UK, the ‘independence’ of MHRA regulation is offered as our complete reassurance … however, this body is 100% funded by the pharmaceutical companies themselves … am I the only one who can smell a conflict of interest in that set-up?
Believe in the Vaccine ? its not a vaccine ffs its mRNA /DNA Gene Therapy. All that take this poison will no longer be human ( if you survive that is) bill gates w2020060606.