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Germany will cease to be ‘fatherland’ under new Berlin proposal

March 5, 2018 by norman lebrecht

20 comments.


Germany’s equality commissioner has asked for the noun ‘Fatherland’ to be removed from the national anthem, along wth the adjective ‘brotherly’.

Kristin Rose-Möhring says these are patriarchal terms that have no place in an egalitarian state.

She proposes to replace Vaterland with Heimatland and brotherly with bravely.


Comments (20)

  1. Caravaggio says:

    And why not use Mutterland?

    1. Anon says:

      or Kinderland? or Gleichstellungsbeauftragtenirrsinnsland?

  2. Doug says:

    Worth reposting and very relevant. And I know every Leftist and left leaning useful idiot will foam at the mouth, roll around on the floor, beat their head on the wall and howl at the moon after just seeing the title alone. But it doesn’t change irrefutable facts.

    https://youtu.be/UxpVwBzFAkw

    1. Anon says:

      That’s just stupid. No wonder it speaks to you.

    2. Sue says:

      That’s over the top. Women should try dressing modestly; that will save most of them from unwanted attention. Keeping the breasts secured under an elegant dress would be a good start. There will always be creeps undeterred even by modesty, but the majority will get the message.

      1. Musicologist says:

        “That’s over the top. Women should try dressing modestly; that will save most of them from unwanted attention. Keeping the breasts secured under an elegant dress would be a good start.”

        That’s wrong on so many levels. But let’s see:

        Let’s just lock all women up -> Problem solved!

        You kinda creep me out, tbh.

      2. Scotty says:

        Gee, Sue, I don’t know. Just thinking about those secured breasts got me going.

    3. John Borstlap says:

      An impossible video filled to the brimm with inaccuracies, prejudices, cooked in ignorance, racism, mysoginy and the typically narcissism of the failed, primitive, juvenile and thus frustrated male. I could not see it out, it was just too bad.

  3. JoBe says:

    But Merkel said “no way”: http://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschland/2018-03/nationalhymne-angela-merkel-aenderung-gender-ablehnung.

    Don’t waste your time with reporting on moronic proposals by attention-seeking cretins, there’s just too much of them!

  4. Sue says:

    “Equality Commissioner”? Orwellian. Next there will be a ‘commissioner’ to regulate male sexuality. More like the politburo every day.

    1. Max Grimm says:

      “Next there will be a ‘commissioner’ to regulate male sexuality.

      Those commissioners are generally called ‘spouse’ and there are millions and millions of them already.

  5. John Borstlap says:

    Germany wants, deep-down, to become more European than German, which is understandable given 20C history. But the best of German culture IS European de facto, so there is not much to worry about. Beethoven’s Ode an die Freude is the EU hymn with good reason.

    More worrisome is the occasional expression of selling-out German musical tradition as if it is not worth preserving it (which would be damaging to European culture!), and to embrace American-style populism – you ask, we serve, and ‘have a nice day!’:

    http://subterraneanreview.blogspot.nl/2017/05/high-culture-as-commodity.html

    1. Musicologist says:

      “More worrisome is the occasional expression of selling-out German musical tradition as if it is not worth preserving it (which would be damaging to European culture!), and to embrace American-style populism”

      I’m still trying to figure out what “American-style populism” has to do with “selling-out German musical tradition”. Just promoting your blog, I presume?

      Greetings, a musicologist (from Germany, btw.)

      1. John Borstlap says:

        Typical of German musicology. ‘Away with us!’

    2. Anon says:

      It’s not exactly an ’embrace’, but the American “culture”, which in fact is commercialism in disguise, conquering the world with ‘stuff that sells’ in colloquial terms, but a cultural war by the supremacist US, the only superpower toward the end of the 20th century. Hollywood, Coca Cola, Apple, and that deadly illusion of an ‘American way of life’, which is essentially a parasitic life style, extensive use of resources, ignoring their limited nature, forget about tomorrow.
      Possibly after the decline of the American empire and the rise of the Chinese, Europe will still be there and kicking culturally strong.

      1. Brian B says:

        “Possibly after the decline of the American empire and the rise of the Chinese, Europe will still be there and kicking culturally strong.”
        By that time, 40-50 years, if present demographic and cultural trends continue, Europe will be majority Muslim. Enjoy.

        1. John Borstlap says:

          After some time, the descendants from immigrants will have become fully European, with or without mosque visits, and carry European culture forward. The point is, that culture is independent from ethnicity, skin colour, gender, erotic interest, shoe size and hair cut. In the future Europeans may look more varied than – say – in 1900, but they will still be Europeans.

          That is, IF in today’s society there is a willingness to preserve and to support European culture. Much more dangerous for culture is the cultural relativism of postmodernism, and the remnants of modernism, both out there to destroy any reserves of artistic achievement from the past which carry European cultural identity.

          History shows that complete assimilation including culture is not only possible but often leads to great achievements, as the presence of people from Jewish descent in the cultural (and scientific) field amply demonstrates. The devastating antisemitism by the European locals was a dramatic self-castration, apart from the insane mass murder. So, such generalizations about muslems in Europe are, to say the least, premature and dangerous: every ‘muslem’ is another human being. Not discrimination but acculturation will protect the cultural territory from deterioration.

    3. Brian B says:

      But they’re just going to have to rewrite Schiller and Beethoven. “Alle Menschen werden Brüder” is just too horrifying for PC imbued 21st century ears. Twice in one line! Sexist schweine!

  6. Sharon says:

    Recall that during the Vietnam War there was a movement to replace the Star Spangled Banner, mainly because the song glorified war (and a war (1812) where the US was trying to conquer Canada at that!). Frankly I don’t believe that it was a bad idea, not least because, apart from the militarist content of the song, it is very difficult for the average person to sing the Star Spangled Banner properly


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